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| IronHorse33 | Dec 8 2015, 09:34 PM Post #1 |
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This might be the biggest debate I did until now, critics of dragonball GT complained about a few things. 1)goku receiving all TV time 2)Pan is annoying 3)characters are misused 4)the powerscaling is weird 5)the story is rushed 6)there are great plot holes 7)uub being a weakling. The things I liked about GT. 1)The baby saga gave us a more serious darker tone than previous sagas which is a good change. 2)the shadow dragons saga is the perfect ending to dragonball, either this or goku becoming evil. 3)characters still remained just as powerfull, they didnt get weaker. 4)all characters were used in a way 5)supersaiyan 4 ( come on guys, this design was freaking awsome, goku and vegeta looked brutal, you felt like someone is gonna get their butt kicked each time you saw them. 6) animation wasnt bad right now in my honest opinion because i was around in both shows, during the first half of gt people compared about it having a boring first quarter, but now fans are really jumping over the direction of super, i mean i've been a fan of dragonball for years, but either this series was made by people who understand nothing of dragonball or they are just lazy. i didnt like anything about super, i am sorry if my opinion is offending anyone but this show needs to run of air, its completely destroying my childhood. 1)goku is now mentally retared, instead of innocent 2)goten and trunks are being utilized as weaker than roshi 3) the ssg design is just awfull. Really ? 4)our main villain is a fat version of the previous villain, and he is now even a villain. 5)frieza becoming as strong as a god in 4 months, OK so atleast devote an episode to him training so he could be hyped up, instead of showing him constantly sparring with a dodoria level character. 6) how can gohan get this weak by only resting for a year ? 7)Roshi fighting alongside the fighters while yamcha, chaotzu, goten and trunks are not allowed 7)they turned beerus into an annoying character rather than the enjoyable one in super. 8)they are severly weakening the other characters in order for goku and vegeta to look stronger and dont get me started at the annimation. i think the only reason akirya toryama made super was for goku and vegeta to be able to match up to comic book characters like superman prime and thanos. not for the content |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Dec 8 2015, 09:37 PM Post #2 |
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I like both, but so far GT is far better than Super. It has unique thinks to show for itself and much better story, plot, characters and even fights. I mean the concept of the SD arc and Baby Arc were excellent IMHO. In GT Goku does get a lot of spotlight but other characters were relevant as well in the story, and a lot actually. Right now: DBZ ~> DBGT > DB >> DBS |
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| + Clearin | Dec 8 2015, 09:44 PM Post #3 |
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I think both Super and GT both feel nothing like DB/Z, but in completely different ways. I do think they both do some things right, but a lot of things wrong, but what they do right or wrong is completely different. One thing GT does very well, maybe even better than Z, is emotional moments. This is probably helped due to GT's suburb soundtrack. I've said it multiple times, but episode 63 of GT is one of my favourite in the entire franchise. Even something like Piccolo's death, where I think the idea surrounding it is incredibly stupid, is executed very well. On the other hand I feel like Super has some good ideas (most recently, Tagoma's brand new personality) but they're executed badly (immediately taken over by Ginyu and THEN immediately beaten by SSj Gohan. They had an entire episode to hype up Tagoma as something threatening only to prove to us Gohan coulda taken him down in 5 seconds). |
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| Tinny | Dec 8 2015, 09:52 PM Post #4 |
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The way I see it is that GT has really good concepts, nice designs, great moments, and new content. Super is noncanon filler that makes no sense and makes Goku evil. It's not hard to see what wins |
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| + Pointer | Dec 8 2015, 10:17 PM Post #5 |
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GT is way way way worse, lots of lots of inconsistencies, I cant even write them down. Goku hurt by glass, and building collapse is a thing, Base goku handle the likes of Super 17 who was above ssj4 goku prior. Random people gets random powerups. Extremely boring first 20 episodes. They were so boring so that i almost died. Dragon ball super is better way better in terms of plot, and characters. Yeah there are inconsistencies but far less than they were on GT |
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| TheACE | Dec 8 2015, 10:34 PM Post #6 |
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Hey. Hey LP. Glass cuts. And buildings. You ever had one dropped on your head? They hurt. Get over it. He didn't die. Dramatic Effect = Rule of Cool. Though I do question the character development. I still don't have a defining character trait for Goten. |
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| Darker | Dec 8 2015, 10:40 PM Post #7 |
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I wouldn't really call Super bad just because I don't want to be mean towards whoever is making it, but it's SOOOO boring. I stopped watching it like 10 episodes in, GT at least had me engaged from beginning to end, even if it had its fair share of slow and boring moments. Just not as many as Super. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Dec 8 2015, 11:22 PM Post #8 |
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Super is still better as far as I'm concerned. I'm not really offended by the series like some people seem to be. I understand their frustrations, but I went into this knowing it wouldn't be the best thing ever, and what I've received has pleased me for the most part. I'll admit I'm a little biased here though. Vegeta being just as relevant as Goku has definitely kept me interested. Beyond that though, one thing Super has over GT and will always have over GT is the lack of a nauseating color pallet. Like, I hate GT's color pallet. It is extraordinarily distracting. I also much prefer the characters, as strange as that may sound to some. I don't feel their portrayals are blasphemous as some would like to claim, and Beerus in particular stands out to me as more menacing, which is a trait that should be more apparent in a God of Destruction. I also just sorta prefer the direction of the story. It's building on the lore of the gods and new universes, which I find whole heartedly more fascinating than anything GT threw at us except for the concepts of Super Saiyan 4 and the Shadow Dragons, but then, one of those wasn't handled all that well. |
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| + QueenTD | Dec 8 2015, 11:28 PM Post #9 |
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Eh. Being worse than Super isn't a bad thing when you love GT :P like me. So far GT > Super. First 22(?) Episodes of GT was more interesting than Super easily lol. |
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| Zoom | Dec 9 2015, 05:01 AM Post #10 |
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I think super hurts itself badly because of re-telling and laziness, but if BoG and FnF was never there, i don't people would view super that badly. Especially compared to GT if you include all the black star episodes (15) i.e. Trunks dressing up as woman, Pan annoying on the ship, then GT is worse in my opinion. |
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| + Pyrus | Dec 9 2015, 05:06 AM Post #11 |
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I think Super dug itself a big hole by essentially feeding us filler for its first two arcs with its retelling of BOG and ROF. In doing that, it now has to redeem itself instead of immediately capitalizing on its hype as a new DBZ series. |
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| FutureProtagonist | Dec 9 2015, 05:22 AM Post #12 |
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GT, excepting the Super #17 arc, was a decent follow-up/imitation (an imitation is not a ripoff) of DBZ, but Super and Resurrection F are to DBZ what the Black Star Balls arc is to DB. It's a very, very, hollow ripoff. "By the numbers" and "stripped down" are perfect ways to describe all of that garbage. Battle of Gods is a good marriage of DB and DBZ, at least on par with the Boo Arc, and superior to GT in general; it's a good setup for something bigger, but shockingly, its followup actually makes the universe smaller. Hopefully U6 is the followup Battle of Gods was hoping setting up, but given this very familiar, well-tread, "tournament" format it's using, my hopes aren't high. Edited by FutureProtagonist, Dec 9 2015, 05:33 AM.
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| EMIYA | Dec 9 2015, 09:45 AM Post #13 |
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I don't believe GT ever tried to be more than what it was and that was just a simple follow up of Toe Animation's DBZ. IIRC, the original Japanese version of GT happened not long after the final episode of the Boo Arc and just kind of quickly went into the next part. GT knew that for the most part, it wanted to be a relatively serious series. It has some great emotional scenes, nice soundtrack (Japanese version) a few interesting characters and some honestly really great ideas that may or may not have been executed greatly but still memorable. I still fin the concept of the Evil Dragons and turning the Dragon Balls against the heroes to basically be the single greatest idea in the series, be it from the manga or the anime. And people will constantly talk about how there's "plot holes" and "Inconsistencies" in GT and yet when you ask them, they can't give an answer. Some of these inconsistencies have been disproved. I mean you want to talk about plot holes and inconsistencies? That's filled to the bring in DBZ, the Boo Arc is basically one massive inconsistent plot f***. We've had plot holes and inconsistencies before that. People try to talk about how GT"s power scaling is out of scale or something. Which is hilarious ironic because that's one of the biggest issues Super has. Really, the problems people have with GT, with it's "Goku Time" and "Plot Holes/Inconsistent" and "Wonky Power Scaling" is stuff you can literally compare to Super. |
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| + Pointer | Dec 9 2015, 10:03 AM Post #14 |
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Oh god Please explain this base kid goku serious > super 17> ssj4 goku super 17> base kid goku super 17 > ssj2 post beby vegeta> super beby vegeta2 >super beby 1 How ? Its like we d say 10 > 100 > 80 |
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| EMIYA | Dec 9 2015, 01:25 PM Post #15 |
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Super's Glorious Power Scaling Roshi is up there facing off opponents with PLs that would be around 1,000 or more and manhandling them and survived the same blows that knocked around Gohan and Piccolo. An Earth snake is shown giving the kids a few issues, indicating that Earth Snakes>Freeza. Gohan meanwhile despite once being over Super Boo, is now showing a level weaker than Good Boo. Even after seven long years Gohan didn't make a drop in power that bad. At 10% of his power, Beerus is barely doing anything to the Earth with his battle with Rage Vegeta,yet at higher level (one not even implied to be his 100% form) he and God Goku can somehow cause universal damage with nothing but the shock waves of their punch. Which then...when both Goku and Beerus decide to get serious and really go at it, they don't blow up the universe because as stated "It's just a fight." Ginyu outright states that he's not used to Tagoma's body yet instantly powers up to an even stronger level of power than Tagoma was shown to use previously. Gohan states that Ginyu-Tagoma has enough power to rival him at his strongest. Whether that means him in his Ultimate state or hie full power as he is currently still ends with Gohan basically one shotting him and calling the fight over. And while on the nature of Rage Vegeta. Vegeta despite being basically ticked 85% of the time of his life, is never shown getting a single boost in power. One wife smacked later and he's pulling out power that is not only stronger than SSJ3 Goku but with giving 10% Beerus some issues, is probably now well over Super Boo and may even be over the likes of Super Vegetto. Super's Spectacular Consistency Goku, despite being an expert fighter and tactician, thinks the only way to fight Beerus to create the same universal busting punch three times, putting literally the entire universe in danger. Vegeta again...getting random rage boosts. Gotenks' fusion time has now been drastically reduced, to the point where he literally defuses just moments from arriving on the field. Roshi again...despite having a PL once no higher than 139 or so with no indication of training or anything is now manhandling Raditz level fighters with ease and taking on blows from opponents who could fell even the likes of Post God Piccolo. Roshi too strong I see. Krillin, despite having never shown any PTSD and with the ability to sense, freezes in fear at the thought of Freeza's men...all of whom he should know are far weaker than him...under the belief they are going to wreck him and needs a pep talk from Roshi. A pep talk which then implies that Krillin, having seen fights from Cell, Boo and Beerus, should now be able to watch those fights. Super's Tubular Characterization Goku, who once greatly cared about others and the Earth, sometimes even more than the fight itself, is reduced to a near villainous character who is willing to put the entire universe in danger to have a good fight. Boo, once a happy go lucky character who was best friends with Satan, is reduced a raging child, abusing Satan and being a complete dick. Vegeta, once gladly accepting of his place as #2 and under the belief that being the best isn't necessary, suddenly comes as a raging man, who can barely spend time with his own family and has to do all he can to be stronger than Goku. For him, being #1 was his priority despite having given that thought up during the Boo Arc. (And this one is probably the least of our worries) Beerus, shown in Battle of Gods as a powerful, stern yet at the same time lovable anti-villain who was quite social and even friendly at times, is instead reduced to a typical Toei villain, sadistic and unconcerned with almost none of the aspects that made him unique or likable in the movie. Chi-Chi is mostly turned into a raging man-woman who constantly yells. --- --- So while GT may have a few issues, when you try to make the claim that GT is worse because of them I'm going to point you these out (and hell, I haven't even seen half the episodes so I can only imagine what else I've missed) because that's calling the kettle black while the pot is charcoal. Edited by EMIYA, Dec 9 2015, 01:26 PM.
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