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How fast is Gotenks?
Topic Started: Dec 7 2015, 10:22 PM (3,533 Views)
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Yeah every explanation I can think of either doesn't make sense or is ridiculously far fetched
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New plot rule: Fusion defuses early when not training.
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Out of curiosity, how fast do you think Gotenks was when he was flying to the fight? Goten and Trunks started flying themselves, but obviously stopped at some point to perform fusion. However, it took him almost half an hour to get from there to the fight, so I'm a little confused.
It didn't take them a half an hour to get there. Toei just f***ed up. Realistically, Tagoma wouldn't stare down the Z-fighters for 30 minutes.
With what we're shown, it did. Toei messing up is all good, but in-Universe, it took him almost half an hour to get there.
No, the in-universe answer is that he split real quickly due to some unexplained reason. Tagoma wouldn't wait around for 30-minutes, that's equally, if not more, absurd.
An unexplained reason? That's all well and good, but what are the chances we're going to get an explanation? The first two letters of Gotenks' name are the same as Goku's name, so I suppose he might get the time of day due to association, but Gohan didn't, so I don't think we will.

If I were to believe you, Gotenks' has been nerfed for literally no good reason.
We're not going to get one because they generally f***ed up. There's no reasonable way to reconcile this. It's a plot hole, plain and simple.

Kinda like how Gohan has been nerfed for no good reason?
Its been explained time and time again that Gohan's loss in power is due to him not training and his body no longer being able to sustain his full power due to being out of shape.

So, Gotenks likely has the same problem. Goten and Trunks never trained after Buu and so, they can't sustain the same kind of power that they did during the Buu Saga. Because they never trained, they can't sustain the fusion as a Super Sayian for very long.
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So you're saying the stronger the people fusing are, the longer the time limit? Or maybe there's a cap at 30 minutes and it can only go down if they're weak
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Out of curiosity, how fast do you think Gotenks was when he was flying to the fight? Goten and Trunks started flying themselves, but obviously stopped at some point to perform fusion. However, it took him almost half an hour to get from there to the fight, so I'm a little confused.
It didn't take them a half an hour to get there. Toei just f***ed up. Realistically, Tagoma wouldn't stare down the Z-fighters for 30 minutes.
With what we're shown, it did. Toei messing up is all good, but in-Universe, it took him almost half an hour to get there.
No, the in-universe answer is that he split real quickly due to some unexplained reason. Tagoma wouldn't wait around for 30-minutes, that's equally, if not more, absurd.
An unexplained reason? That's all well and good, but what are the chances we're going to get an explanation? The first two letters of Gotenks' name are the same as Goku's name, so I suppose he might get the time of day due to association, but Gohan didn't, so I don't think we will.

If I were to believe you, Gotenks' has been nerfed for literally no good reason.
We're not going to get one because they generally f***ed up. There's no reasonable way to reconcile this. It's a plot hole, plain and simple.

Kinda like how Gohan has been nerfed for no good reason?
Its been explained time and time again that Gohan's loss in power is due to him not training and his body no longer being able to sustain his full power due to being out of shape.

So, Gotenks likely has the same problem. Goten and Trunks never trained after Buu and so, they can't sustain the same kind of power that they did during the Buu Saga. Because they never trained, they can't sustain the fusion as a Super Sayian for very long.
If that's the case, then Super should be counted as its own separate entity. Gohan was just fine using SSJ after not training at all for 7 years, so the kids should be just fine as it's been, at most, 5 years or so since the Boo saga.
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i really want to know how you got to 5 years.
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So you're saying the stronger the people fusing are, the longer the time limit? Or maybe there's a cap at 30 minutes and it can only go down if they're weak
The way I understand it is that 30 mins is the cap for a fusion in base form, regardless of if it is successful or not.

Transformations that drain the body of energy like Super Sayian 3 lower that time limit due to drawing energy required to sustain the fusion. Also, certain blows that are strong enough can disrupt the fusion and cancel it out(like how Beerus was able to defeat Gotenks and cause him to diffuse.)

So, 30 mins is the base time for a fusion with no outside factors disrupting it. But things like Transformations and getting hit by insanely powerful blows can end the fusion early.

I know its from GT, but Super Sayian 4 Gogeta had the same problem. Because of the sheer power of Super Sayian 4, it drained the time that the fusion could last, ending it early.
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i really want to know how you got to 5 years.


It seems that Super is following the same timeline as BoG/FnF. At most, it was six years, as BoG happened 5 years after the Boo saga and Vegeta went to train for about 6 months on Beerus' planet, so it's safe to assume it's around that time.

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So you're saying the stronger the people fusing are, the longer the time limit? Or maybe there's a cap at 30 minutes and it can only go down if they're weak
The way I understand it is that 30 mins is the cap for a fusion in base form, regardless of if it is successful or not.

Transformations that drain the body of energy like Super Sayian 3 lower that time limit due to drawing energy required to sustain the fusion. Also, certain blows that are strong enough can disrupt the fusion and cancel it out(like how Beerus was able to defeat Gotenks and cause him to diffuse.)

So, 30 mins is the base time for a fusion with no outside factors disrupting it. But things like Transformations and getting hit by insanely powerful blows can end the fusion early.

I know its from GT, but Super Sayian 4 Gogeta had the same problem. Because of the sheer power of Super Sayian 4, it drained the time that the fusion could last, ending it early.


We see that happening with SSJ3 Gotenks, but never with SSJ Gotenks. Even if they got weaker over the gap and couldn't hold the transformation as long, the 30 minute fusion time shouldn't change.
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i swear to the dolls that tortured Freeza that Super retconed the 5 years and stated some -months- after Buu.. I feel like a Psyduck has been brought into this whole thing and used confusion on everything
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I have him at light speed since those revolutions were all in one panel and the time lapse occured when he landed.
And mfl in combat reflexes due to feats of weaker and scaling
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Dec 8 2015, 02:29 AM
I have him at light speed since those revolutions were all in one panel and the time lapse occured when he landed.
And mfl in combat reflexes due to feats of weaker and scaling
He also took a half hour to reach the fight, there's no way he's that fast (now).
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Dec 8 2015, 02:29 AM
I have him at light speed since those revolutions were all in one panel and the time lapse occured when he landed.
And mfl in combat reflexes due to feats of weaker and scaling
So, it took Piccolo almost half an hour to get to where Gotenks was?
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That's right. It takes Piccolo half an hour to make it halfway across Earth at most.
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They seriously need to dedicate an episode or 50 to explain wtf is happening with the power scaling
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I have him at light speed since those revolutions were all in one panel and the time lapse occured when he landed.
And mfl in combat reflexes due to feats of weaker and scaling
So, it took Piccolo almost half an hour to get to where Gotenks was?
Yes. How's that hard to believe when people have Gotenks pre rosat above ss3 goku who'd severely out speed piccolo.
And honestly we know travel speed is plot dependant at times.
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