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How fast is Gotenks?
Topic Started: Dec 7 2015, 10:22 PM (3,534 Views)
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"I am the bone of my sword."

The truth is, Gotenks is actually just as fast as he was in the Boo Arc. The others caught wind of his arrival and acted accordingly, sending a message to Yamcha to do all he could to stall Gotenks. Yamcha did well enough and bought everyone a good 29 or so minutes of freedom until he could no longer take Gotenks' bulls*** and had to leave. When he asked the others if he could join, they politely told him to f*** off.
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Out of curiosity, how fast do you think Gotenks was when he was flying to the fight? Goten and Trunks started flying themselves, but obviously stopped at some point to perform fusion. However, it took him almost half an hour to get from there to the fight, so I'm a little confused.
It didn't take them a half an hour to get there. Toei just f***ed up. Realistically, Tagoma wouldn't stare down the Z-fighters for 30 minutes.
With what we're shown, it did. Toei messing up is all good, but in-Universe, it took him almost half an hour to get there.
There's no way half an hour has passed since they sensed what was going on. There is no other explanation other than toei screwed up like when goku got revenge with finger flick and neck chop even though beerus didn't even do the neck chop in super
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Out of curiosity, how fast do you think Gotenks was when he was flying to the fight? Goten and Trunks started flying themselves, but obviously stopped at some point to perform fusion. However, it took him almost half an hour to get from there to the fight, so I'm a little confused.
It didn't take them a half an hour to get there. Toei just f***ed up. Realistically, Tagoma wouldn't stare down the Z-fighters for 30 minutes.
With what we're shown, it did. Toei messing up is all good, but in-Universe, it took him almost half an hour to get there.
There's no way half an hour has passed since they sensed what was going on. There is no other explanation other than toei screwed up like when goku got revenge with finger flick and neck chop even though beerus didn't even do the neck chop in super
Are we just saying that it didn't happen then?

Toei made a mistake, but it still happened. Either Gotenks is slow as hell, or for some reason his fusion time has been reduced greatly.
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I don't think the fusion was broken because of the time limit. I think it broke because Super Sayian drained their energy and lowered the time they could remain fused.

Gohan in the same arc is barely able to sustain the first Super Sayian form, and he brings up being limited in using it despite mastering it as a child. Which explains why he can't use Super Sayian 2 or draw out his full power. He's so rusty and out of shape, his body simply can' sustain the higher forms and he can barely use Super Sayian(and he can likely only use that form due to mastering it as a child and being capable of controlling the amount of Ki that is drained to some degree)

So, I would not be shocked if Gotenks has the same problem. Its doubtful Goten and Trunks did any more training after the Buu saga, and like Gohan, never bothered to sustain the power the had gained through training. Super Sayian 3 drained their energy and fusion time during the Buu saga, and even the first Super Sayian form can drain energy from a user(one of the reasons why Gohan and Goku mastered the form in the Cell saga, along with removing the unsettled feeling that comes with the transformation)

So, I think Gotenks defusing has less to do with time, and more with them draining their Ki too fast to sustain the fusion. They have the same problem Gohan does in the sense that all the power that they gain is lost due to them never bothering to train when its peaceful.


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I took that as retconning the show out in favour of the movie.

I'd say Gotenks has been retconned to being subsonic. This reminds me so much of season one Star Trek TNG. Make Goku and Vegeta look better at any cost.
At ANY cost.
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Nah, in the buu saga they had a full 30 minutes as ssj iirc

There's no in universe explanation as far as I can tell. It's plot. Toei f***ed up. They didn't want gotenks fighting. They wanted to give gohan a time to shine
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Out of curiosity, how fast do you think Gotenks was when he was flying to the fight? Goten and Trunks started flying themselves, but obviously stopped at some point to perform fusion. However, it took him almost half an hour to get from there to the fight, so I'm a little confused.
It didn't take them a half an hour to get there. Toei just f***ed up. Realistically, Tagoma wouldn't stare down the Z-fighters for 30 minutes.
With what we're shown, it did. Toei messing up is all good, but in-Universe, it took him almost half an hour to get there.
No, the in-universe answer is that he split real quickly due to some unexplained reason. Tagoma wouldn't wait around for 30-minutes, that's equally, if not more, absurd.
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Out of curiosity, how fast do you think Gotenks was when he was flying to the fight? Goten and Trunks started flying themselves, but obviously stopped at some point to perform fusion. However, it took him almost half an hour to get from there to the fight, so I'm a little confused.
It didn't take them a half an hour to get there. Toei just f***ed up. Realistically, Tagoma wouldn't stare down the Z-fighters for 30 minutes.
With what we're shown, it did. Toei messing up is all good, but in-Universe, it took him almost half an hour to get there.
Tagoma wouldn't wait around for 30-minutes
It's Dragon Ball, of course he would.
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Out of curiosity, how fast do you think Gotenks was when he was flying to the fight? Goten and Trunks started flying themselves, but obviously stopped at some point to perform fusion. However, it took him almost half an hour to get from there to the fight, so I'm a little confused.
It didn't take them a half an hour to get there. Toei just f***ed up. Realistically, Tagoma wouldn't stare down the Z-fighters for 30 minutes.
With what we're shown, it did. Toei messing up is all good, but in-Universe, it took him almost half an hour to get there.
No, the in-universe answer is that he split real quickly due to some unexplained reason. Tagoma wouldn't wait around for 30-minutes, that's equally, if not more, absurd.
An unexplained reason? That's all well and good, but what are the chances we're going to get an explanation? The first two letters of Gotenks' name are the same as Goku's name, so I suppose he might get the time of day due to association, but Gohan didn't, so I don't think we will.

If I were to believe you, Gotenks' has been nerfed for literally no good reason.
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Out of curiosity, how fast do you think Gotenks was when he was flying to the fight? Goten and Trunks started flying themselves, but obviously stopped at some point to perform fusion. However, it took him almost half an hour to get from there to the fight, so I'm a little confused.
It didn't take them a half an hour to get there. Toei just f***ed up. Realistically, Tagoma wouldn't stare down the Z-fighters for 30 minutes.
With what we're shown, it did. Toei messing up is all good, but in-Universe, it took him almost half an hour to get there.
No, the in-universe answer is that he split real quickly due to some unexplained reason. Tagoma wouldn't wait around for 30-minutes, that's equally, if not more, absurd.
An unexplained reason? That's all well and good, but what are the chances we're going to get an explanation? The first two letters of Gotenks' name are the same as Goku's name, so I suppose he might get the time of day due to association, but Gohan didn't, so I don't think we will.

If I were to believe you, Gotenks' has been nerfed for literally no good reason.
We're not going to get one because they generally f***ed up. There's no reasonable way to reconcile this. It's a plot hole, plain and simple.

Kinda like how Gohan has been nerfed for no good reason?
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Out of curiosity, how fast do you think Gotenks was when he was flying to the fight? Goten and Trunks started flying themselves, but obviously stopped at some point to perform fusion. However, it took him almost half an hour to get from there to the fight, so I'm a little confused.
It didn't take them a half an hour to get there. Toei just f***ed up. Realistically, Tagoma wouldn't stare down the Z-fighters for 30 minutes.
With what we're shown, it did. Toei messing up is all good, but in-Universe, it took him almost half an hour to get there.
No, the in-universe answer is that he split real quickly due to some unexplained reason. Tagoma wouldn't wait around for 30-minutes, that's equally, if not more, absurd.
An unexplained reason? That's all well and good, but what are the chances we're going to get an explanation? The first two letters of Gotenks' name are the same as Goku's name, so I suppose he might get the time of day due to association, but Gohan didn't, so I don't think we will.

If I were to believe you, Gotenks' has been nerfed for literally no good reason.
We're not going to get one because they generally f***ed up. There's no reasonable way to reconcile this. It's a plot hole, plain and simple.

Kinda like how Gohan has been nerfed for no good reason?
Gohan's been nerfed, yeah, but people accept his power at this point. It's pretty difficult to just outright ignore something that quite clearly happened, plothole or no.
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Well.. Gohan did say that he can't tap into his full power.. sooo technically he wasn't nerfed and is simply out of shape. I think it's a valid reason.

Gotenks is still messed up however, unless he went for a w*** mid way and had some issues, because being a kid just does that to you i guess. So unless they had to go take care of that, or maybe take a dump after fusing i see 0 valid reasons for them to defuse after 1 second. And to think i was so hyped for Gotenks coming into the scene.. F you Toei, at least they should've let him go SSJ3 and Force Freeza to transform.. or maybe even have him challenge his final form, and say that Base Goku and Vegeta along with Final Form Freeza are stronger than Buu or something.
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Plotholes don't always have good explanations do they? This is literally just toei messing up...again lol

Edit: maybe they took off for a second, stopped, fused, and then chi chi yelled at them and wasted their time
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Out of curiosity, how fast do you think Gotenks was when he was flying to the fight? Goten and Trunks started flying themselves, but obviously stopped at some point to perform fusion. However, it took him almost half an hour to get from there to the fight, so I'm a little confused.
It didn't take them a half an hour to get there. Toei just f***ed up. Realistically, Tagoma wouldn't stare down the Z-fighters for 30 minutes.
With what we're shown, it did. Toei messing up is all good, but in-Universe, it took him almost half an hour to get there.
No, the in-universe answer is that he split real quickly due to some unexplained reason. Tagoma wouldn't wait around for 30-minutes, that's equally, if not more, absurd.
An unexplained reason? That's all well and good, but what are the chances we're going to get an explanation? The first two letters of Gotenks' name are the same as Goku's name, so I suppose he might get the time of day due to association, but Gohan didn't, so I don't think we will.

If I were to believe you, Gotenks' has been nerfed for literally no good reason.
We're not going to get one because they generally f***ed up. There's no reasonable way to reconcile this. It's a plot hole, plain and simple.

Kinda like how Gohan has been nerfed for no good reason?
Gohan's been nerfed, yeah, but people accept his power at this point. It's pretty difficult to just outright ignore something that quite clearly happened, plothole or no.
Any explanation is unreasonable, so I don't see the point in bothering. The best I could posit is that Goten and Trunks actually sensed Freeza when he arrived, got a bite to eat, but fused as to only have to pay for one person, then headed on over and arrived with one minute left in the fusion.
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Out of curiosity, how fast do you think Gotenks was when he was flying to the fight? Goten and Trunks started flying themselves, but obviously stopped at some point to perform fusion. However, it took him almost half an hour to get from there to the fight, so I'm a little confused.
It didn't take them a half an hour to get there. Toei just f***ed up. Realistically, Tagoma wouldn't stare down the Z-fighters for 30 minutes.
With what we're shown, it did. Toei messing up is all good, but in-Universe, it took him almost half an hour to get there.
No, the in-universe answer is that he split real quickly due to some unexplained reason. Tagoma wouldn't wait around for 30-minutes, that's equally, if not more, absurd.
An unexplained reason? That's all well and good, but what are the chances we're going to get an explanation? The first two letters of Gotenks' name are the same as Goku's name, so I suppose he might get the time of day due to association, but Gohan didn't, so I don't think we will.

If I were to believe you, Gotenks' has been nerfed for literally no good reason.
We're not going to get one because they generally f***ed up. There's no reasonable way to reconcile this. It's a plot hole, plain and simple.

Kinda like how Gohan has been nerfed for no good reason?
Gohan's been nerfed, yeah, but people accept his power at this point. It's pretty difficult to just outright ignore something that quite clearly happened, plothole or no.
Any explanation is unreasonable, so I don't see the point in bothering. The best I could posit is that Goten and Trunks actually sensed Freeza when he arrived, got a bite to eat, but fused as to only have to pay for one person, then headed on over and arrived with one minute left in the fusion.
i like your explanation better.. XD but Trunks is rich. i dont think that would be an issue for him to pay even if 1,000,000 Gokus were eating
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