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SsjG Multiplier?
Topic Started: Dec 6 2015, 06:37 PM (4,024 Views)
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what if the kili numbers are not linear. The only "canon" explanation was the creator's on as he said something like that " I always imagined them as 10* stronger when I draw them" Of course the problem with that is if it was like this during the crisis on Namek, than KK*20 Goku should dwarf thee legendary super saiyan. So it is a mess.

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but it's not accurate

SSJ Goku can destroy planets and cell can destroy a solar system what's the gap between them?

According to power levels it's only 2x but that's just mathematically wrong


Also this: you come here to argue a point while knowing so little about it yourself.

No one said that the difference between Super Perfect Cell and Goku was 2x.

The guidebook only stated that SSj2 is 2x SSj1 for a particular Saiyan (which I don't agree with, I think it's more but that's beside the point).

But that multiplier takes into account the base power of the particular Saiyan, so you can't generalize it into a "tier". A better trained guy in SSj1 would still be stronger than a weaker one in SSj2, despite the multiplier. Can't believe you overlooked such a basic detail. You can't say "SSj2 tier is 2x SSj1 tier", as that would be a horrible oversimplification and generalization. Cell Games SSj tier was already hundreds of times above Namek SSj tier, you know. And Cell could become stronger than he was against Goku without being Super Perfect, as he wasn't fighting Goku at full power. Super Perfect Cell is way beyond that still, but no one said it was exactly 2x of any previously stated power. The standing would likely be roughly something like this, though it's just a ballpark figure for now:

FPSSj Goku: 10
Perfect Cell: 10,5
Gohan: 13
FP Perfect Cell: 25
SSj2 Gohan: 65
Super Perfect Cell: 65
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Doesn't matter if he's only hundreds of times stronger than Goku back on Namek the fact cell jumped from planet lvl to solar system proves my point

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Dec 7 2015, 11:32 AM
Doesn't matter if he's only hundreds of times stronger than Goku back on Namek the fact cell jumped from planet lvl to solar system proves my point

The fact that your system makes Roshi the strongest of the humans by far shows the problem with your system.
All that's wrong with the pl system is "the gap isn't big enough."
The problem with yours is that Freeza in his first form apparently has better blasts than the Androids.

I think I'll take the system with the least holes.
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Wow everyone is real generous and takes power levels pretty seriously. Hadn't realized it was THAT big a deal. Honestly I'm a bit more conservative with the gaps and multipliers. Mainly because Frieza should have been able to speedblitz Krillin and Gohan into oblivion just by sneezing at them. But hey, I guess Plot Armour > Battle Powers. I think power levels realistically only matter if you're an antagonist or a non-recurring character. Being a protagonist really saves you on that front. But I'm sure that's more of an editorial view than an in-universe look at the issue.

But honestly I only have something like a 40,000 times base form as far as God Mode goes. It's still stupid high and that's all you need for the plot to work. After all, POWER LEVELS DON'T SCALE LINEARLY. (Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnd cue the appologists.)
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Only thing which matters so that goku was maybe multi solar system buster prior and became a multi galaxy buster after.


That is a huge gain, if we took that as a linear scale than the gain is more than 100 000 000 000^2 .... As we have about 100 billion stars in a galaxy and about 100 billion galaxies in the universe so.... damn.


Of course this doesnt work this way

Lets say the gap it *100 000 and I am fine with that.
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Dec 7 2015, 01:32 PM
Frieza should have been able to speedblitz Krillin and Gohan into oblivion just by sneezing at them.




Frieza actually defeated some Namekians simply by exhaling. :D This was right before Nail fought him.
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Is SSJ 50x base form, SSJ2 100x base form, and SSJ3 1,000x base form?
Statements from the SEG say that SSj is 50x Base, SSj2 is 2x SSj and SSj3 is 4x SSj2.

In reality though it seems like the 50x for SSj has decreased in later sagas. In the Buu arc a FPSSj Goku is measured to only be 5x stronger than base by Babidi. Not sure about SSj2 but at least in Cell Games Gohan's case it was definitely a larger increase than that.

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I'm not saying that all im saying are power levels are idiotic and using them in a debate to accurately determine how strong someone is gets nowhere.



GT is the perfect example of that


That's because the writers of GT had no idea how powers in the manga work. They're the same people who made DBZ fillers, which often showed grievous lack of understanding the concepts of the world Toriyama has created. Also, filler is supposed to extend the battles to make the episodes longer, which only serves to give us a false impression that "powerlevels don't matter". Battles that are supposed to be over in a flash, are extended beyond reason in the anime many times. That doesn't mean they were this way in the manga.

You have Toei Animation to thank for confusing you so. If you read the manga, you'd see no such inconsistencies - the character with a higherbattle power always wins in a direct battle.
Ok thanks. That's what I had heard but wanted to have it confirmed, although I heard that SSJ3 was actually 10 times that of SSJ2, and SSJ4 was 4x that of SSJ3.
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Logically speaking it should be septillion times stronger than SSJ3 cause of the difference between universe and multi solar destroyer, but DC was never consistent with power levels anyway. I'll go ahead and give it a million times multiplier for the sake of versus.
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Well, it's not like you need a billion times bigger power because the universe is a billion times wider. A single drop hitting the water creates a ripple so you know, maybe it's enough to just make the space/time continuum vibrate in a single point, and the vibrations will race through the entire universe, possibly picking up pace as they go?

Actually, watching Super I don't think the gap between God and SSj3 is as big as some say. Pasting from another thread:

SSj3 Goku: ~1
Ultimate Gohan: 5 (doesn't account for losing him losing power afterwards, obviously. It was already probably much less against Beerus)
Furious Mutation SSj2 Vegeta: 9
Beerus: 10
SSj Vegetto (Buu Saga): 15
SSjG Goku: 60
FP Beerus: 100
Whis: 150
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Dec 7 2015, 11:32 AM
Doesn't matter if he's only hundreds of times stronger than Goku back on Namek the fact cell jumped from planet lvl to solar system proves my point

All planets arent the same size
And cooler said he could bust the sun
Makes sense seeing as how first form freeza could bust a planet like planet vegeta
Saiyan saga vegeta-Earth Buster
Ginyu Force members excluding guldo-gas giant buster or large planet
Freeza first form- casual 10x earth gravity planet buster
Difference between this freeza and cooler final form or freeza 100% is bigger than thr gap between roshi and a regular human so it makes sense for him to be a star buster
Andriod 18/17/16 -large star busters
SPC-Solar system
This jump was coming for a while
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Dec 7 2015, 02:15 PM
Only thing which matters so that goku was maybe multi solar system buster prior and became a multi galaxy buster after.


That is a huge gain, if we took that as a linear scale than the gain is more than 100 000 000 000^2 .... As we have about 100 billion stars in a galaxy and about 100 billion galaxies in the universe so.... damn.


Of course this doesnt work this way

Lets say the gap it *100 000 and I am fine with that.
And Whats the gap between a gunshot and a moonbuster?
By your logic roshi and piccolo should be in millions
Bp are exponential cause a 1.33z gap means game over. But irl i can knock out someone who can probably bench twice the amount of me
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Dec 7 2015, 02:15 PM
Only thing which matters so that goku was maybe multi solar system buster prior and became a multi galaxy buster after.


That is a huge gain, if we took that as a linear scale than the gain is more than 100 000 000 000^2 .... As we have about 100 billion stars in a galaxy and about 100 billion galaxies in the universe so.... damn.


Of course this doesnt work this way

Lets say the gap it *100 000 and I am fine with that.
And Whats the gap between a gunshot and a moonbuster?
By your logic roshi and piccolo should be in millions
Bp are exponential cause a 1.33z gap means game over. But irl i can knock out someone who can probably bench twice the amount of me
Nothing implies that the battle powers are exponential, Kaioken proves you wrong.

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Dec 8 2015, 03:50 PM
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Dec 8 2015, 03:46 PM
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Dec 7 2015, 02:15 PM
Only thing which matters so that goku was maybe multi solar system buster prior and became a multi galaxy buster after.


That is a huge gain, if we took that as a linear scale than the gain is more than 100 000 000 000^2 .... As we have about 100 billion stars in a galaxy and about 100 billion galaxies in the universe so.... damn.


Of course this doesnt work this way

Lets say the gap it *100 000 and I am fine with that.
And Whats the gap between a gunshot and a moonbuster?
By your logic roshi and piccolo should be in millions
Bp are exponential cause a 1.33z gap means game over. But irl i can knock out someone who can probably bench twice the amount of me
Nothing implies that the battle powers are exponential, Kaioken proves you wrong.
Theyre exponential in effect
Twice the ki is more than twice the force
Vegeta with a gap smaller than 1.5 punched a hole in zarbon
Goku only had twice the ki of a human And he could tank bullets,kick trees apart and knock out bears
Tell me? How many humans does it take to destroy a moon? Probably millions,Roshi achieved it with a ki level less than one thousand
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You're right tho. It isn't implied....its flat out stated
And anyone with common sense knows that someone with a pl of 50 can do way more than a human with stats increased by 10x
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Dec 7 2015, 11:32 AM
Doesn't matter if he's only hundreds of times stronger than Goku back on Namek the fact cell jumped from planet lvl to solar system proves my point

All planets arent the same size
And cooler said he could bust the sun
Makes sense seeing as how first form freeza could bust a planet like planet vegeta
Saiyan saga vegeta-Earth Buster
Ginyu Force members excluding guldo-gas giant buster or large planet
Freeza first form- casual 10x earth gravity planet buster
Difference between this freeza and cooler final form or freeza 100% is bigger than thr gap between roshi and a regular human so it makes sense for him to be a star buster
Andriod 18/17/16 -large star busters
SPC-Solar system
This jump was coming for a while
Cooler saying he could destroy the sun is dub line only
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