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The BP of Saitama; Raditz?!
Topic Started: Dec 6 2015, 03:52 PM (3,040 Views)
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You have to watch this. It seems these guys have no idea how strong Saitama is.
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Dec 7 2015, 07:52 PM
Can I ask why you don't roll with the split durability?
I don't see any reason to take it. To me it seems like a fan theory made so that Naruto characters and the like can take on high-tier DBZ characters.

It seems to ignore that it's possible to have a high attack potency without the attack having a high destructive capability. It bases on the notion that DBZ character's punches don't cause that much environmental damage while still hurting powerful characters.

The level of environment damage/destructive capability does not necessarily dictate attack potency.
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We saw that Toriyama had it in mind, though, with Goku knocking Chi-Chi out of the ring with just air pressure from his punch. Toei also had it in mind when they animated Cell vs. Goku, where the air pressure from their punches destroyed rocks when they were dodged.
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The level of environment damage/destructive capability does not necessarily dictate attack potency.
Only really works for ki. They can control ki outside their bodies (we know this), but where's the proof that they can control the air pressure from their punches?
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I think him punching away a lifewiper blast puts him closer to Nappa level IMO in overall combat capability. I don't think Raditz can lifewipe with one blast.


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Raditz can and that casual attack is better than anything in OPM so far
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This topic is basically Saitama vs Dragon Ball so I'm putting in this section, which is used to the cruel world of debates against DB characters. The Anime section is too pure for such things.
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What is the point of toriyama pointing out the destruction of it isn't anywhere near as great as how hard the actual punch was? How is this attack potency supposed to stay in affect when they someone and they're sent into a mountain? Even if they could contain the damage of punch so that there aren't shockwaves or anything, how can they control the damage done to the mountain? There are many reasons to accept split durability. It's not a theory. It's not just dbz. It's the author keeping things interesting
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environmental damage is never going to be consistent

Just look at the OPM anime Saitama air pressure can destroy a cliff side yet when he does the same thing to sea king it kills him and displaces the clouds yet the buildings behind him are still intact

Is sea King durability below building level? Of course not it's just attack potency it applies to everyone in fiction they don't need to cause massive amounts of damage to the planet in every fight becuase no author is going to take the time and accurately portray that it's too much work
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Freeza being able to survive a planet exploding is because of his DNA. It's established fairly well in RoF that not even Beerus or Whis can survive it. It doesn't fall under ki vs physical, but it's another example of how durability can be split in fiction.

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it was pretty clear Whis made that barrier to protect the others around him since Beerus said as long as you stay by me i'll protect you

why would an exploding planet kill Beerus lol

Toriyama made it pretty clear no matter what Freeza does he can't beat Beerus besides blowing up a planet isn't something new to the God of Destruction
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We saw that Toriyama had it in mind, though, with Goku knocking Chi-Chi out of the ring with just air pressure from his punch. Toei also had it in mind when they animated Cell vs. Goku, where the air pressure from their punches destroyed rocks when they were dodged.
Best not to bring the anime version here were they can easily left islands, pyramids move the earth in strength contest etc.

Anyway as far as pure strength goes from what I read Saitama surpasses DBZ, maybe except top tier Buu Arc characters, I still don't know if I'm 100% with the split durability argument but it makes sense at least the way Itachi presented it.
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it was pretty clear Whis made that barrier to protect the others around him since Beerus said as long as you stay by me i'll protect you

why would an exploding planet kill Beerus lol

Toriyama made it pretty clear no matter what Freeza does he can't beat Beerus besides blowing up a planet isn't something new to the God of Destruction
In Super, RoF and BoG they all run away from a planet before it explodes. It doesn't matter who was on the planet. Even with Beerus was in rage mode and didn't care about the people on Earth he had to wait for Whis.

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In Super, RoF and BoG they all run away from a planet before it explodes.


Beerus likes to watch the destruction as stated in Super


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Even with Beerus was in rage mode and didn't care about the people on Earth he had to wait for Whis.


Because Whis was getting the food ready :rofl:

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And again mentioning Toriyama made it pretty clear no matter what Freeza does he can't beat Beerus,Freeza is known for blowing up planets to beat people
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We saw that Toriyama had it in mind, though, with Goku knocking Chi-Chi out of the ring with just air pressure from his punch. Toei also had it in mind when they animated Cell vs. Goku, where the air pressure from their punches destroyed rocks when they were dodged.
Best not to bring the anime version here were they can easily left islands, pyramids move the earth in strength contest etc.

Anyway as far as pure strength goes from what I read Saitama surpasses DBZ, maybe except top tier Buu Arc characters, I still don't know if I'm 100% with the split durability argument but it makes sense at least the way Itachi presented it.
Super's following on from the anime, it seems. Wasn't the whole Bulma/Frog Ginyu filler? Even discounting that, Goku's the strongest at the start of Super, and that's following on from the status quo in the anime, where Goku was strongest.
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We saw that Toriyama had it in mind, though, with Goku knocking Chi-Chi out of the ring with just air pressure from his punch. Toei also had it in mind when they animated Cell vs. Goku, where the air pressure from their punches destroyed rocks when they were dodged.
Best not to bring the anime version here were they can easily left islands, pyramids move the earth in strength contest etc.

Anyway as far as pure strength goes from what I read Saitama surpasses DBZ, maybe except top tier Buu Arc characters, I still don't know if I'm 100% with the split durability argument but it makes sense at least the way Itachi presented it.
Super's following on from the anime, it seems. Wasn't the whole Bulma/Frog Ginyu filler? Even discounting that, Goku's the strongest at the start of Super, and that's following on from the status quo in the anime, where Goku was strongest.
But should we really bring anime feats as well? Cause they are hilariously better than in the manga. Heck Piccolo in Saiyan arc was lifting pyramids in the clouds and Frieza easily lifted an island which Goku casually stopped. Not to mention other feats which the manga can't even come close to.

Perhaps it follows the manga with some anime staff added, that's better than following the anime version.
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Dec 7 2015, 10:50 PM
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In Super, RoF and BoG they all run away from a planet before it explodes.


Beerus likes to watch the destruction as stated in Super


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Even with Beerus was in rage mode and didn't care about the people on Earth he had to wait for Whis.


Because Whis was getting the food ready :rofl:

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And again mentioning Toriyama made it pretty clear no matter what Freeza does he can't beat Beerus,Freeza is known for blowing up planets to beat people
You really think Beerus was gonna wait that long just for food? If he cared that much about the planet's food he wouldn't have decieded to destroyed it in the first place. He was waiting for Whis. There were heavy implications that there are steps needed to be taken when escaping a destroyed planet. There's are all just excuses you need to accept what we're shown.

Beerus said he believed he got bored of them but it wasn't true, there's no reason to go check again to see if he's still bored or not.

I get that Beerus has enough physical durability now to be punched through planets. Still evidence is on the side he can't live through one being exploded.
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