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The BP of Saitama; Raditz?!
Topic Started: Dec 6 2015, 03:52 PM (3,041 Views)
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You have to watch this. It seems these guys have no idea how strong Saitama is.
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Thala na Gethu!

LOL

Some of da posts...ugh

Why dafuq compare DBZ guys with space bending, Hokage's pe**s bending fighters?

You have guys with MF'kin destructive capabilities (Moon Busters) as early as 21st TB.

Guess what? Blame it on Kishimoto/Oda/Tite/Togashi for keeping it "grounded af" where they can survive the heat of sun, bend space, forming freakin Buddha with Hakishi Kannon, but wouldnt last 10 seconds against pre-Buu Saga fighters

Like really man

Its like comparing Tonny Jaa to Goldberg

Goldberg's intensity & powerhouse strength is unrivalled in wrasslin. To say nothin of his MMA training etc

Tony Jaa is a King in Muay Thai. In his world

2 different Legends

Thats how I view when anyone use space-bendinv as an arguement to DBZ's destructive PL

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Billa
Dec 7 2015, 02:21 AM
LOL

Some of da posts...ugh

Why dafuq compare DBZ guys with space bending, Hokage's pe**s bending fighters?

You have guys with MF'kin destructive capabilities (Moon Busters) as early as 21st TB.

Guess what? Blame it on Kishimoto/Oda/Tite/Togashi for keeping it "grounded af" where they can survive the heat of sun, bend space, forming freakin Buddha with Hakishi Kannon, but wouldnt last 10 seconds against pre-Buu Saga fighters

Like really man

Its like comparing Tonny Jaa to Goldberg

Goldberg's intensity & powerhouse strength is unrivalled in wrasslin. To say nothin of his MMA training etc

Tony Jaa is a King in Muay Thai. In his world

2 different Legends

Thats how I view when anyone use space-bendinv as an arguement to DBZ's destructive PL

I guarantee you if you put the DBZverse against the Narutoverse or Bleachverse, the vast majority of the DBZverse would gets its a*** handed to them. Because pure destructive strength can only get you so far. Yeah, nobody in DBZ has ever moved so fast they bent space. Nobody in DBZ has ever been hit so hard they were sent out of Earth's orbit and into the moon. Nobody in DBZ has ever shown to be able to survive the temperature of the sun. Nobody in DBZ has ever shown the ability to withstand the multitudes of illusions or Genjutsus. There are so many ways that other series could annihilate the DBZverse.

You think people like Saitama, or the high end Naruto or Bleach characters couldn't do anything to the Boo Arc characters? Then you're sadly mistaken. It's made damn clear that there are plenty of characters that can give the DBZverse a run for their money without needing to be planet destroyers, or sun destroyers or galaxy destroyers or anything like that.
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I agree with most of that. I don't agree with the genjutsu and temperature of the sun parts.

I really doubt a planet explosion isn't as hot as the sun. Frieza cell and buu should easily survive the heat of the sun. Beerus and whis probably could too seeing as how he floats like a few feat away from planet explosions all the time but we're only going up to buu saga here

And although ki and chakra are similar, they don't work the same way so I don't think genjutsu would for sure work on them. Sure the energies themselves might be similar but I'm sorry but using the forum rule of equalizing them so that they work the same way is bulls*** imo
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Dec 7 2015, 03:26 AM
I really doubt a planet explosion isn't as hot as the sun. Frieza cell and buu should easily survive the heat of the sun. Beerus and whis probably could too seeing as how he floats like a few feat away from planet explosions all the time.
Dude, you can't compare a planet exploding with the freaking Sun. It's a STAR, do you even realize how hot it is. It's not gas or fire, it's PLASMA! You'd get toasted if you were light years away! And that's just from really far away, imagine how hot the core of it is.
Also, outrunning explosions? Nothing special, you only need to be going at several Mach speed, not necessarily the speed of light.
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Well I'm talking about the surface of the sun not the core which is like 10,000 degrees fahrenheit right? Surely a planet explosion is at least close to that right? No?
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"I am the bone of my sword."

But nothing actually shows that the DBZ characters can resist genjutsus or other illusions such as Aizen's lovable Kyouka Suigetsu. They've never had to deal with anything on that level. Ki was only used as a sense of power, not necessarily a sense of deterrence, so its not like they can negate the effects of those illusions. But really, illusions are only a part of the whole thing.

Where as the DBZverse traded almost all skill and technique for simply raw power, the other verses went with the opposite route. Showing massive amount of skill and technique with not necessarily the same amount of destructive power. The closest I can think of where DBZ came to that was in the early DB era with people like Akumaman (or whatever his name was, not too sure at this point) with his Devilmite Beam (again whatever it was called). You had an opponent who certainly wasn't going to be blowing up no planets any time soon, yet had capabilities that could fell even the likes of Super Vegetto.

Now you take that, multiply that into several unique and distinctive abilities, be they physical, mental, etc...give them to characters who are quite competent and then add in some pretty nifty physical abilities on top of that. Well suddenly you find out that your facing some pretty gnarly abilities.

The main thing is that its so annoying when people act like DBZ characters are unstoppable and that just because they have better destructive feats, means they can easily win fights. It's why its so much fun to read fights in JoJo's Bizzare Adventure. It's not about how strong you are, it's about how adaptive you are and there are powers in JJBA which wouldn't come close to the likes of the same destructive ability that would make Goku and the gang piss themselves if they ever faced them.
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Darker
Dec 7 2015, 02:04 AM
I'm pretty sure Cell or Boo aren't beings that need oxygen. Hell I doubt they have the need to breath.
That's what I said :p Only a select few have the survivability of Frieza.

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It's why its so much fun to read fights in JoJo's Bizzare Adventure. It's not about how strong you are, it's about how adaptive you are and there are powers in JJBA which wouldn't come close to the likes of the same destructive ability that would make Goku and the gang piss themselves if they ever faced them.


Yeah I would love to see DB characters take on the dude who can completely erase himself and also have you eaten in to a void.

When you're talking about DB Verse vs any other verse you have to consider one huge thing:

"Has anyone in Dragon Ball ever defeated someone significantly more powerful than themselves?"
Not talking a 30% power advantage or anything here, a one punch and you're f***ing dead kind of power advantage.

Shikamaru vs Tayuya is a good example, weak a*** dude against what 4 enemies(including her puppet things)
He doesn't actually win that fight but very very nearly.

In DB Verse that'd be like Krillin pre-potential unlock vs Second Form Frieza and actually nearly killing the guy despite the horrific crutch of extremely linear and predictable attacks.
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Dec 7 2015, 03:46 AM
But nothing actually shows that the DBZ characters can resist genjutsus or other illusions such as Aizen's lovable Kyouka Suigetsu. They've never had to deal with anything on that level. Ki was only used as a sense of power, not necessarily a sense of deterrence, so its not like they can negate the effects of those illusions. But really, illusions are only a part of the whole thing.

Where as the DBZverse traded almost all skill and technique for simply raw power, the other verses went with the opposite route. Showing massive amount of skill and technique with not necessarily the same amount of destructive power. The closest I can think of where DBZ came to that was in the early DB era with people like Akumaman (or whatever his name was, not too sure at this point) with his Devilmite Beam (again whatever it was called). You had an opponent who certainly wasn't going to be blowing up no planets any time soon, yet had capabilities that could fell even the likes of Super Vegetto.

Now you take that, multiply that into several unique and distinctive abilities, be they physical, mental, etc...give them to characters who are quite competent and then add in some pretty nifty physical abilities on top of that. Well suddenly you find out that your facing some pretty gnarly abilities.

The main thing is that its so annoying when people act like DBZ characters are unstoppable and that just because they have better destructive feats, means they can easily win fights. It's why its so much fun to read fights in JoJo's Bizzare Adventure. It's not about how strong you are, it's about how adaptive you are and there are powers in JJBA which wouldn't come close to the likes of the same destructive ability that would make Goku and the gang piss themselves if they ever faced them.
@dark matter So what? The fact that ki in dbz doesn't work the same as chakra does in naruto, is all we need to know

Other than that... Yeah I agree. Destructive power is overrated. Don't ever go to moviecodec.lounge. Those guys are unbelievable it's almost funny
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Dec 7 2015, 03:35 AM
Well I'm talking about the surface of the sun not the core which is like 10,000 degrees fahrenheit right? Surely a planet explosion is at least close to that right? No?
No...

The core is 27 MILLION degrees Fahrenheit. 10 million on the surface.
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Are you sure? Everywhere I'm reading says the surface of the sun is around 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit
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This might help you understand the deal of the Sun's temperature: http://www.space.com/17137-how-hot-is-the-sun.html
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They're actually right he would get up to Raditz

He's fodderized 2 moon level characters.

Split durability doesn't help Saitama's case here at all since his best feat is punching away s life wiping blast which doesn't compare at all to Raditz.

Everyone is looking at the feats because thier flashy and not taking the time to actually realize thier not that impressive.

Edit: split durability when a planet blows up in your face?lmfao

What's the least amount of energy Freeza took?People keep saying s*** they don't even understand surviving a planet exploding in your face is a physical feat my friends

Physically Hurting someone with a punch who can survive a planet explosion makes your physical strikes insane


Not even going to mention Gohan and what he did to the cell Jr's which is even more impressive

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Goku blasted Frieza into the ground. It'd be hard to say how close to the center he was though. If he was close to it then yeah it's an impressive feat. He probably wasn't close to it though. That would fit better with what we get from their punches
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I think him punching away a lifewiper blast puts him closer to Nappa level IMO in overall combat capability. I don't think Raditz can lifewipe with one blast.

I'll give him a PL of approximately ~7000-10,000 based on known feats.

I don't buy the whole split durability thing, I think it's just attack potency without sufficient area of effect. So yes, I think someone like Super Gogeta could just laugh off any punches the bald dude can throw at him.
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Can I ask why you don't roll with the split durability?
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