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Ok, so gohan ain't Ultimate anymore
Topic Started: Dec 6 2015, 11:52 AM (1,498 Views)
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I think we've got clear evidence that he isn't. He was able to power up that way right until Beerus, but 6 months later due to no training at all he lost that ability, and his base power fell quite drastically.

This is kind of an asspull, but the writers backed themselves into a corner and they kinda had to do this for there to be a Drama Preserving Handicap.
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It's because Toei lives by the rule that "Goku is love, Goku is life, Goku is our lord and savior" and thus nerfed other characters that were going out of line so Goku remains on top.
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Xfing
Dec 6 2015, 11:52 AM
I think we've got clear evidence that he isn't. He was able to power up that way right until Beerus, but 6 months later due to no training at all he lost that ability, and his base power fell quite drastically.

This is kind of an asspull, but the writers backed themselves into a corner and they kinda had to do this for there to be a Drama Preserving Handicap.
Actually with the way they treat Gohan I wouldn't be surprised if he lost his ultimate form there and forgot to turn Super Saiyan, heck Gotenks didn't even go ssj iirc so it's not impossible.
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I think Gohan became as weak as namek saga Goku. I mean he was having troubles to keep the SSJ transformation. That means he isnt even a MSSJ, but rather an untrained super saiyan like Goku was in namek. How sad, to lose that much power in 6 months. Screw the writers of dragonball Super. Its a disgrace.
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It was over a year
- Goku and Vegeta train for months solo
- Vegeta leaves with who's for 6 months
- Goku waits 2 months on whis to return and take him
- Frieza is reborn and trains 4 months

It's been over a year since the god ritual which in super stripped everyone of their ki. The same ritual turned videl into something resembling a ssj using fetus pan. Gohan became a ssj again mid ritual and now him being out of shape is impacting his power. It even hit the boys who already were a weaker gotenks that hasn't went ssj3 for years, as we see the fusion magic cut short when they are challenging Frieza, and we all know in toei world ki use can burn the time up quickly like ssj4 gogeta if they body isn't fit.

Goku and Vegeta came out the ritual golden. Goku kept the ssj God power in his ssj level after constantly finding something more. Vegeta watched all the fight, leaped atop a yacht and did so without ki and he seems to have a better grasp on what whis tells them to do as seen by their training. The ritual made damn sure the full bloods whose mind, bodies, and spirits came out ahead and stayed that way off hard work. It just hit the half a*** so that their magical fusion or old Kai unlock doesn't do them good anymore for them being lazy
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I still have Gohan above Gotenks
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Gohan's power seemingly works like this now: he's obviously nowhere near as strong as he used to be but his base form is above Piccolo's. This leads me to think that his Mystic Form isn't gone, just considerably less powerful, putting his base above Piccolo's but still apparently beneath Fat Boo.

For comparison sake I'll put where I stack them up here:

Base Gohan = Max FPSSJ Cell Games Goku

Tagoma/Ginyu = Max Power Perfect Cell

SSJ Gohan = SSJ3 Gotenks
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The so-called "mystic form" is a state where he draws up his entire power. He says he can't do that now, so he's pretty much stuck with his regular Base - probably as strong as he was after being done with the Z-sword, or even weaker.

SSj is just a 5x multiplier probably, just like it was in the Buu saga. Ultimate Gohan's "multiplier" was either equivalent to SSj3's or greater. I'm saying that because we have to remember that post training with the Z-sword Gohan was considerably stronger than Goku, so using the same SSj3 multiplier on him as Goku had would still put him above Goku. The only question is if it would be enough to reflect the actual difference of power from the manga. It probably wouldn't, but oh well :P

As for Toei purposely weakening everyone to make Goku and Vegeta look better - they're really stupid if they think it's necessary with how powerful G&V have become right now. SSj Vegetto level fighters are now jobbers next to their base forms for crying out loud.
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Dec 7 2015, 10:46 AM
The so-called "mystic form" is a state where he draws up his entire power. He says he can't do that now, so he's pretty much stuck with his regular Base - probably as strong as he was after being done with the Z-sword, or even weaker.

SSj is just a 5x multiplier probably, just like it was in the Buu saga. Ultimate Gohan's "multiplier" was either equivalent to SSj3's or greater. I'm saying that because we have to remember that post training with the Z-sword Gohan was considerably stronger than Goku, so using the same SSj3 multiplier on him as Goku had would still put him above Goku. The only question is if it would be enough to reflect the actual difference of power from the manga. It probably wouldn't, but oh well :P

As for Toei purposely weakening everyone to make Goku and Vegeta look better - they're really stupid if they think it's necessary with how powerful G&V have become right now. SSj Vegetto level fighters are now jobbers next to their base forms for crying out loud.
I always thought that this infamous "ultimate" form is like the same, but better than the potential unlock what gohan got from the Guru on Namek.

I mean it is not a form, but rather an unlock which allows the "usage" of the veery max power of that warrior. So If he trains like hell after than he might be even surpass it. Like he did with the guru unlock....The basic difference is that gohan can access to his ultimate max power so he shall not use ssj ssj2 and above , as it wont do any.



correct me if i am wrong.

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Dec 6 2015, 03:26 PM
It's because Toei lives by the rule that "Goku is love, Goku is life, Goku is our lord and savior" and thus nerfed other characters that were going out of line so Goku remains on top.
The problem with that logic is that Toei did not write Gohan no longer being able to sustain his Ultimate Form in Super.

The idea came from Akira Toriyama who wrote the story to Resurrection ‘F’

So in other words, in both that movie and Super the creator of Dragon Ball decided to lower Gohan's power.

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