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| TheACE | Dec 22 2015, 11:18 PM Post #46 |
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The Last GT Fighter
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The power is so great that it changes your clothes, duh! |
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| ekrolo2 | Dec 22 2015, 11:19 PM Post #47 |
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It has random elements, yeah, but it works a lot better as a continuation of the monkey men, Oozaru concept far better than any of the other forms imo. Plus the idea of needing to become the worst, most monstrous and destructive version of yourself as a Golden Oozaru then somehow regain control is a lot more powerful then "Grrrr I'm super angry now" or "magic training ftw!" or the hand holding of SSG. Edited by ekrolo2, Dec 22 2015, 11:20 PM.
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| Tinny | Dec 22 2015, 11:21 PM Post #48 |
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Except the purpose of the forms is exactly what MADE ssj2 and ssjg good. Lengthening of hair, sparks in aura can't simply be replicated in photoshop like all the changes you just listed for ssjgssj. Changes in colour of hair and eyes happened in ssj, so let's remove that, changes in the color of sparks is basically the same as eyes and hair, but it is something that wasn't done in any of the other firms so fine, let's humour you and keep it. Changes in aura happened in ssj and even kaioken, so again, let's remove that. That's one unique change. And it's changing colour of sparks. And once again, changing the color of a form is something plenty of people here can do in minutes. You can't tell me that changing color is as easy as changing the hair style of a form, one requires you to redraw characters, the other requires the paint can tool in photoshop. It has more changes in ssj2, but they're lazy changes that anyone can do with a cyan crayon and a dbz coloring book. It's lack of purpose is half the problem, the form could have been salvaged if it had a story behind it, true context like ssjg has, and I loved ssjg it's my favorite form for crying out loud! It's not hypocritical because everything that went into ssj2 was thrown out the window in ssjgssj. Changing colour four times and saying it has more changes than ssj2 is dishonest. At best and we're being technical here, the only new thing it's brought to the table is coloring sparks. That's it, ssj2 lengthened hair and added the sparks in the first place. So in the end, it's two unique changes versus one, and unlike ssj3, it didn't take anything that far, like the obvious hair ssj3 has. |
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Dec 22 2015, 11:22 PM Post #49 |
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SSJ4 >SSJG confirmed |
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| EMIYA | Dec 22 2015, 11:24 PM Post #50 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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You didn't read my post at all. Would it be easier if I pointed it out a numerical scale the differences in SSJ2? 1.) An aura style change. Super Saiyan in the manga has a very wavy and calm like aura. SSj2 is noted for a very jagged and sharp aura. Toriyama was surprisingly distinct in his forms, things that were usually overlooked in the anime's progress. 2.) Electricity. Perhaps its most distinctive point. The SSj2 aura was always shown with the consistent usage of electricity surrounding the body. 3.) A change in hairstyle. Those who utilized the SSj2 forms changed, becoming spikier with fewer bangs. For Gohan this is most prominent from his change of his more flat level SSJ hair to the high end spiky hair of his SSJ2 self. 4.) Each character who utilized SSJ2 in the manga were notable with having very sharp slanted eyes. There was always a case of sternness in them. This is actually notable in the manga when Goku is show casing his transformations to Boo. 5.) SSj2's personality has always been remarked as more serious and a sterner aspect of the form. One could even tell that a sense of bloodlust had come into their character. 6.) While the forms of SSj2 were gathered by the likes of Goku and Vegeta through hard training, the effects of SSj2 had a huge amount of impact on the plot and Gohan as a character. It went to show his development as a kid and at the time, the culmination of all his anger and rage, helping to ultimately break into the next level of SSJ2 that those like ASSj, USSj and MSSj were ultimately trying to build up towards. SSGSS meanwhile has two differences from SSJ. 1.) It's blue. 2.) Aura Style (and that's questionable on itself. But I'll count it on myself) There's nothing else to this form. If people like it, that's their choice. But nobody can deny that unlike all the other SSJ forms, Bluper Saiyan didn't have nearly the same uniqueness and far less that impact on the story that the other forms had. Even SSJ God which is bordering on a shameless Kaioken ripoff to some people both had some relatively uniqueness from other from SSJ forms and definitely far more impact on the plot. The only form other than Bluper Saiyan that probably has just as much impact on the story is SSJ3 which really came out of nowhere. But in this case SSj3 is also arguably the most distinctive SSJ form out of all them with exception of SSJ4 if we're going the non-canon route. In the end, even if SSj2 has a more simplified design. You'd be hard pressed to show that Bluper Saiyan has more uniqueness to it beyond its blue hair and you would definitely be hard pressed to show how SSj2 had less impact on the story than Bluper Saiyan. And really, that's just an aspect on who is using it. For someone like Vegeta, there's not that much of a change between SSJ and SSJ2 that's notable. With Kid Gohan, you practically have two entirely different characters. |
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| Tinny | Dec 22 2015, 11:24 PM Post #51 |
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Queen TD mentioned how ssjg changes clothes as well a while back. THE GAME IS STILL AFOOT! |
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| ekrolo2 | Dec 22 2015, 11:24 PM Post #52 |
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Is 4s random clothes any less weird then Gotenks getting a completely new wardrobe lol? I know its supposed to be Metamoran clothing and a technique from them, but its still weird that two beings fusing produces entirely new clothes lol.
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| Vegeta16 | Dec 22 2015, 11:28 PM Post #53 |
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We're not removing anything. That's you desperately trying to win an argument you know you've already lost. The fact is SSJB has more design changes than SSJ2. You acting as if the changes in SSJ2 are somehow monumentally better than those in SSJB is laughable at best. Lengthening hair and adding sparks aren't monumental changes. I'll say it once more time, don't say SSJB is lazy and then defend 2 forms that are factually much lazier. It's hypocritical. Edited by Vegeta16, Dec 22 2015, 11:34 PM.
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| Vegeta16 | Dec 22 2015, 11:34 PM Post #54 |
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Blue eyes, blue hair, entirely new aura, and sparks. Sorry, but that's more changes than SSJ2. And yes, I certainly can and will say that SSJB is more unique in terms of design than SSJ2 and ASSJ. Edited by Vegeta16, Dec 22 2015, 11:34 PM.
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| Tinny | Dec 22 2015, 11:35 PM Post #55 |
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Adj yes, the "no you are being dumb" argument, so prefect,, my argument has truly been felled by your wit sir. More seriously, I remove it because changing colour already happened, and really how hard is it to change a form by picking out blue crayons instead of yellow? Can you really count it as a change in the same tier as changing the shape of a person (their hair in this case)? Are we really comparing changing the hair color to the changing the hair style? Changing the aura color to changing the aura shape? Changing the sparks colour to bringing in the sparks in the first place? In each case ssj2 brought in a far larger change than ssjgssj. And again, context practically makes or breaks a form. It broke ssjgssj and made ssj2. Talking about the ssj forms without the story behind them is meaningless almost. @Vegeta 16 6 is still more than 4. Ssj2 still has more and better changes. Edited by Tinny, Dec 22 2015, 11:36 PM.
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| Vegeta16 | Dec 22 2015, 11:41 PM Post #56 |
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No, you removed it because it's the only way to make your argument. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Slightly lengthening the hair isn't hard to do. Anybody could do it in photoshop. The SSJ2 aura is barely any different than the SSJ aura. The SSJB aura on the other hand is ENTIRELY different than any other aura in the series. Yes, because adding sparks is so hard to do. Context is irrelevant in this conversation. This about the design and only the design. If you can't understand that then don't bother replying anymore. Sorry, but 4 is more than 2. SSJ2 had 2 significant design changes. That's it. SSJB had 4. Edited by Vegeta16, Dec 22 2015, 11:42 PM.
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| EMIYA | Dec 22 2015, 11:44 PM Post #57 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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I've still yet to be proven wrong how SSj2 has less unique changes to it then Bluper Saiyan and I've definitely have yet to see how the form had more impact on the series than SSJ2 did as well. Other than the original Super Saiyan, there's probably little doubt that SSj2 had one of the single biggest impacts on the series. It was literally the next real step above Super Saiyan with everyone trying to find it. But in the end, it was Gohan, the one who hated fighting who found it via the unlocking of his anger and rage. It wasn't just a huge step in the evolution of the Super Saiyan transformation, it was a huge step into Gohan's characterization from a timid child to a strong willed boy ready to defend the Earth. One that unfortunately gets screwed over in later installments but the point is still there.
I literally just pointed out 4 and that's just in physical aspect alone. Add in the notable personality change in the characters and the huge impact it had on the series and that's even more additional points to SSj2. Edited by EMIYA, Dec 22 2015, 11:47 PM.
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| Vegeta16 | Dec 22 2015, 11:48 PM Post #58 |
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No, you certainly haven't. There's barely any change in the aura and the eyes remain the same. And as I've said time and time again, I don't care about the impact it had on the series. That's irrelevant in regards to what I'm talking about. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Dec 22 2015, 11:51 PM Post #59 |
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Izanagi!
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Wish I had enough skill to turn SSJ Kid Gohan into SSJ2 Kid Gohan in a few minutes with photoshop...![]()
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| Vegeta16 | Dec 22 2015, 11:56 PM Post #60 |
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I'm sorry that Photoshop is too complicated for you to use. *shrugs* |
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