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What is higher than Super Blue?
Topic Started: Dec 4 2015, 12:19 AM (16,913 Views)
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Dec 14 2015, 08:57 PM
I don't think ssjb is necessarily lazy. Call it a pallete swap all you want I still think it looks pretty cool

It's just ssj. This isn't a new transformation it's just what their ssj is after becoming a god. The form doesn't have to look that much different

I for one think this is great for the series. Ssj1 is being made epic again and a big deal since they can't turn ssj2 or 3 (yet) anymore
It's lazy because it's a palette swap, that out looks good on some outsole is almost irrelevant imo. I mean you can make the form and put it on Goten in minutes. In fact that's exactly what GM Goken did.

If they're gonna call it ssjb and ssjgssj and treat out as a hot transformation, then it's a new form. If it was barely advertised at all and it was like "oh my ssj turns blue if I use it with the god power," it wouldn't be nearly a big deal, but they treat ssjgssj as a big deal. And it's practically ssj.

It was already a big deal again when Goku kicked Beerus into space to the song Hero. They can still do that, they can't anymore because of that form but frankly they can just say that ssj2 and 3 are inefficient for what they provide and you can just train ssj to be above those levels, even leaves the door open for someone to "prefect" ssj3 or 2.
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Dec 14 2015, 07:46 PM
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Dec 14 2015, 07:23 PM
I really hope there wont be any crimson/ gold/ orange/ pink ssj above that
But all Super Saiyans are Golden... Therefore i'm all about having the next SSJ Form (lmao don't be optimistic, of course there will be another transformation or 12. This is Transformers Super!) being Golden. Yo bring the Super Saiyans back and kill the blupersaiyans
the idea of the blue ssj is bulls***. I mean if they bring ssj2 into this I will explode. In BoG Beerus said theres no point in ssj2 and 3 from now.

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If you think SSJB was extremely lazy and nothing but a palette swap then you damn well better hold a similar opinion of SSJ2 and/or the Ascended SSJ forms considering they had even LESS changes than SSJB. SSJB had the hair and eyes change color, the aura completely change, and added the frequent sparks. What differed SSJ2 from SSJ? Sparks and lengthening the hair slightly. Ascended SSJ merely increased your muscles in terms of appearance. So SSJB actually had MORE changes than both Ascended SSJ and SSJ2 did.


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"I am the bone of my sword."

SSJ2 was noted with not only a change in hairstyle and in Gohan's case a very notable change, but a distinctive change in aura style, electricity and personality with the users become much more intense than in previous forms. There's even a small but notable change in the eye style which becomes sharper. Not to mention, SSJ2 first came about with Gohan's rage, a form that ultimately exploded after the massive build up of Gohan's fury throughout the manga.

ASSJ meanwhile was the build up to MSSJ and ultimately SSj2 as well. It was meant to showcase the next level of Super Saiyan and the difference between it and MSSJ. We got to see how working on ASSj ultimately produced the powerful but very inconvenient USSJ form Trunks used and how Goku ultimately found a proper balance.

in both cases, each form had a build up and had a purpose throughout the series. Bluper Saiyan meanwhile has absolutely no purpose nor any originality to it. It literally is just a blue pallet swap of Super Saiyan with a blue aura. it has no build up to the series, comes basically out of nowhere and offers nothing to to the series.

Anything with Bluper Saiyan could easily have been done with Super Saiyan God.
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In other words, you can't find anymore than 2 changes in SSJ2 and 1 change in ASSJ, so you go on about the purpose of the forms despite that not even being the reason for people criticizing SSB in this thread.

The fact is SSB has more changes than SSJ2 and ASSJ. Hell, to this day it's still debated about whether or not Gohan was using SSJ against Dabura or SSJ2. That's the absolute epitome of laziness in terms of design. Don't call SSJB a palette swap and say it lacks originality and then defend 2 forms that had even LESS changes than it meaning they had even less originality than SSJB. It's entirely hypocritical and you know it.
Edited by Vegeta16, Dec 22 2015, 10:55 PM.
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... Did you read his post? Like did you actually read it?
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Dec 22 2015, 10:56 PM
... Did you read his post? Like did you actually read it?
Is that all you came to say? Because if so then I can't be bothered to pay you any mind.
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Dec 22 2015, 10:57 PM
Tin Man
Dec 22 2015, 10:56 PM
... Did you read his post? Like did you actually read it?
Is that all you came to say? Because if so then I can't be bothered to pay you any mind.
You've ignored his post entirely where he detailed the differences. Explain why he's being hypocritical instead of throwing the term around like it scores you points. And frankly even if p2ssj had more differences than ssj2, one was the climax of an arc that had Gohan stepping up where his father failed. It had build up and pay off, ssjgssj comes out off nowhere and doesn't do a single thing ssjg couldn't do, and has little pay off that couldn't simply be had with ssjg and the same elaboration about utilizing the power of ssjg on their own.
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Dec 22 2015, 11:03 PM
Vegeta16
Dec 22 2015, 10:57 PM
Tin Man
Dec 22 2015, 10:56 PM
... Did you read his post? Like did you actually read it?
Is that all you came to say? Because if so then I can't be bothered to pay you any mind.
You've ignored his post entirely where he detailed the differences. Explain why he's being hypocritical instead of throwing the term around like it scores you points. And frankly even if p2ssj had more differences than ssj2, one was the climax of an arc that had Gohan stepping up where his father failed. It had build up and pay off, ssjgssj comes out off nowhere and doesn't do a single thing ssjg couldn't do, and has little pay off that couldn't simply be had with ssjg and the same elaboration about utilizing the power of ssjg on their own.
2 design changes for SSJ2. A slight lengthening of the hair and sparks in the aura. 1 design change for ASSJ. Increased muscle mass. Let's compare that to SSJB shall we? SSJB consists of a change in the hair, eyes, aura, and sparks. That's 4 changes compared to 2 for SSJ and 1 for ASSJ. The purpose of the forms is irrelevant in this conversation. I'm discussing the design changes.

You want to bash SSJB because it has no purpose then by all means, do so, but bashing it because it's quote on quote "lazy" in design and then proceeding to defend 2 forms that were factually much lazier is hypocritical.
At least I can tell SSJB apart from other forms unlike SSJ2 Gohan when fighting Dabura, which is still debated to this day as to whether or not he was actually a SSJ2. It's as simple as that.
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Pretty sure Vegeta16 was strickly referring to someone calling the form lazy he never referred to the purpose of the form and how it came to be

The Fact is SSGSS can be considered lazy but it still has more changes than any other SSJ form
Edited by King Kakarot, Dec 22 2015, 11:13 PM.
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4 is the only form that had any thought put into how it's attained and how it looks as far as I'm concerned. The regular versions just randomly change your hair blonde then make it spikier with the God forms doing the same. Neither of which have anything to do with the concept of monkey men, 4 has the random color palette for sure, but it makes sense with what's already established with the Saiyan's as a species everywhere else.
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King Kakarot
Dec 22 2015, 11:12 PM
Pretty sure Vegeta16 was strickly referring to someone calling the form lazy he never referred to the purpose of the form and how it came to be

The Fact is SSGSS can be considered lazy but it still has more changes than any other SSJ form
What, you mean the hair colour and the aura? SSJ2's hair is spikier, the aura's way more vicious and there's lightning in the aura. SSJ3 has no eyebrows and the hair's much longer.

For the record, I think that SSJ2 was lazy too.
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4 had red fur and magical pants and Vegeta jeans how does that even come about?

SSJ4 looks cool but it's really random
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Dec 22 2015, 11:12 PM
Pretty sure Vegeta16 was strickly referring to someone calling the form lazy he never referred to the purpose of the form and how it came to be

The Fact is SSGSS can be considered lazy but it still has more changes than any other SSJ form
Pretty much. If people want to call SSJB lazy in terms of design then fine, but don't sit here and defend other forms like ASSJ and SSJ2 in terms of design when they've had even less changes than SSJB.
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SSJ2 didn't become lazy until the Boo Saga. When it was first introduced, it was very different from what we had seen before. That's the point, the SSJ2 was unique within its own saga.
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