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Super Saiyan Gotenks ( Pre ) vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku
Gotenks is stronger 10 (62.5%)
Goku is stronger 6 (37.5%)
They are equal 0 (0%)
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Super Saiyan Gotenks ( Pre ) vs Super Saiyan 3 Goku
Topic Started: Nov 23 2015, 12:08 AM (1,406 Views)
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Who is stronger? By how much?
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I go with Gotenks, since nothing contradicts Goku saying Gotenks would be stronger. That's just my opinion though.
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It's difficult to say how strong pre-RoSaT Gotenks truly is. He never fights on-screen. The only evidence we have to go on are a handful of unsubstantiated statements and him comically showing back up after trying to fight Fat Buu in Base. I suppose he's stronger than SSJ3 Goku, provided the hype paints an accurate picture of him with regards to power.

Despite what Goku says about being able to destroy Buu, we know that his only surefire way to succeed involved powering up to max or using the Spirit Bomb. His maximum power seems to require being stationary while concentrating. Both conditions are luxuries which I doubt Buu was willing to give him in a one on one fight. Since Gotenks is using the less taxing and more efficient SSJ form, it can be inferred that him tapping into all of his power is much easier to accomplish. As a result, I think the fusion might have this. Goku can't hold out in a war of attrition because his SSJ3 form burns through Ki very quickly. It wouldn't surprise me if he reverted back to Base halfway through the fight with Gotenks still having time to spare.
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What kind of battle would their fight mimic? Any fight in the manga you can think of that it looks close to?

Is it going to be like Cell vs Goku?
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I don't know. Maybe Cell vs Goku, like you said. Goku might be weaker, but the difference shouldn't be too great where he can't put up a fight.
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Cell vs. Goku seems like a good comparison, or maybe Beautiful Zarbon vs. Vegeta. There's definitely a noticeable gap, but I don't think Gotenks blows Goku out of the water or anything excessive like that.
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So Goku barely able to keep up? I think that's fine. Also I don't see hardly any difference between Zarbon vs Vegeta and Goku vs Cell, it's more or less the same fight not counting the ki blasts of course.
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If Gotenks was this far ahead why would toryama have goku catch up so quickly in wrath of the dragon and super
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Timothy
Nov 23 2015, 01:52 AM
If Gotenks was this far ahead why would toryama have goku catch up so quickly in wrath of the dragon and super
Same reason Gohan was the weakest Saiyan in M8 against Broly despite it being Cell Games-era.

They aren't canonically linked to the main timeline, so power buffs/nerfs don't have to make sense (not that they always did to begin with).
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Most likely because Goku is the main character. I think DB as a whole just isn't as successful when Goku is not the strongest. Having Goku and Vegeta the strongest again definitely is what the fans want.
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Timothy
Nov 23 2015, 01:52 AM
If Gotenks was this far ahead why would toryama have goku catch up so quickly in wrath of the dragon and super
Same reason Gohan is so pathetically weak in Super. Goku and Vegeta worship and shilling. At this point they're almost Wesley like.
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Yea the nerf job done Post Z has been unapologetic. They didn't even try to make a smooth transition. There would have been a number of ways to have made the jump realistic, but they completely opted out of any sense or reason.
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If you must make Super and Z consistent, (I wouldn't bother) we don't strictly know for sure who's the stronger, but if you try and make SSJ Gotenks weaker than Fat Boo, I can promise that you will die three days (to the second) after I find out. ;)

Note that I didn't say I would do it, but I will pray to Kaioshin and he'll make it happen. That'll make you the second person who's lost to Kaioshin. Ouch.
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FP, if Gotenks is 100, what is Goku?
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"I am the bone of my sword."

I don't care what gap you might have, heck the manga even kind of makes a subtle impression that its not all that large. But when Goku, the man himself, tells you Gotenks is going to be stronger and this is never once contradicted or taken back throughout the entirety of the series. So when people come up saying SSj3 Goku is still stronger despite f***ing Goku saying the opposite.

And if Goku's word is not enough for people. Then at this point I feel like I'm debating some fundamentalist from the WBC and I'm getting a massive amount of dick shoved into my mouth unable to articulate any common sense.

*Cough* Gotenks is stronger *Cough*
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