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Ssjg Raditz vs Dragon Ball/Z/GT/Super
Topic Started: Nov 20 2015, 12:43 AM (3,437 Views)
TheACE
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Exactly that. Hell this is the Internet Kakarot, for all you know I'm a talking robot tank.
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Again statements are just feats by word of mouth hence the examples of the child lifting things that a grown adult doesn't need to do to prove he's stronger than a child.

Statements prove that the grown adult is stronger he doesn't have the feat of lifting 30 pounds but common sense tells me that he doesn't need to lift that to say he's stronger than a child.

Can't believe this needs to be explained
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King Kakarot
Nov 20 2015, 08:07 PM
Again statements are just feats by word of mouth hence the examples of the child lifting things that a grown adult doesn't need to do to prove he's stronger than a child.

Statements prove that the grown adult is stronger he doesn't have the feat of lifting 30 pounds but common sense tells me that he doesn't need to lift that to say he's stronger than a child.

Can't believe this needs to be explained
What you aren't understanding is that a statement doesn't actually prove anything. If I say A + A × B^2 = C ^ 2, that doesn't make it the f***ing pathagrym theorem! Just do the math!
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Nov 20 2015, 08:09 PM
King Kakarot
Nov 20 2015, 08:07 PM
Again statements are just feats by word of mouth hence the examples of the child lifting things that a grown adult doesn't need to do to prove he's stronger than a child.

Statements prove that the grown adult is stronger he doesn't have the feat of lifting 30 pounds but common sense tells me that he doesn't need to lift that to say he's stronger than a child.

Can't believe this needs to be explained
What you aren't understanding is that a statement doesn't actually prove anything. If I say A + A × B^2 = C ^ 2, that doesn't make it the f***ing pathagrym theorem! Just do the math!
So you're telling me that adult needs to actually prove that he's stronger than a child for you to belive him?

I guess i need to prove that i'm stronger than a todler that lifts up a toy car becuase i never lifted up a toy car before. :rofl:
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Nov 20 2015, 08:07 PM
statements are just feats by word of mouth
Statements literally cannot be feats. Words aren't actions. Regardless of the statement's validity, it still isn't a feat since it isn't an action, it's still words.
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So when J.K Rowling said Dumbledore is gay when it was never written in her books or shown that he was gay in the books were not supposed to believe her?
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Nov 20 2015, 08:13 PM
So when J.K Rowling said Dumbledore is g** when it was never written in her books or shown that he was g** in the books were not supposed to believe her?
That's not what I meant. Your statement could be completely valid or totally invalid, it still isn't a feat.
Likewise, your feat could be totally valid or not, it still isn't a statement.


It all boils down to this:

Feats = actions
Statements = words

Validity of feats/statements does not change this. They're not the same thing.
Edited by bloodstained euphy, Nov 20 2015, 08:18 PM.
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Nov 20 2015, 08:13 PM
So when J.K Rowling said Dumbledore is gay when it was never written in her books or shown that he was gay in the books were not supposed to believe her?
No matter how valid it is, it's still not a feat. If I say Goku can lift 10 tons, it's not a feat, it's a statement that is true, but it's not a feat. Heck how is he being homosexual a feat in the first place?
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Nov 20 2015, 08:17 PM
King Kakarot
Nov 20 2015, 08:13 PM
So when J.K Rowling said Dumbledore is g** when it was never written in her books or shown that he was g** in the books were not supposed to believe her?
That's not what I meant. Your statement could be completely valid or totally invalid, it still isn't a feat.
Likewise, your feat could be totally valid or not, it still isn't a statement.


It all boils down to this:

Feats = actions
Statements = words

Validity of feats/statements does not change this. They're not the same thing.
So SSJ3 Goku never fought raditz does Goku need feats to say he can beat Raditz or does statements say that he would destroy him?

According to you guys Goku needs to fight Raditz himself to determine the winner :rofl:


@tin Man feats = action

What action did Dumbledore show in the books that he was homosexual?
Edited by King Kakarot, Nov 20 2015, 08:22 PM.
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Nov 20 2015, 08:20 PM
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Nov 20 2015, 08:17 PM
King Kakarot
Nov 20 2015, 08:13 PM
So when J.K Rowling said Dumbledore is g** when it was never written in her books or shown that he was g** in the books were not supposed to believe her?
That's not what I meant. Your statement could be completely valid or totally invalid, it still isn't a feat.
Likewise, your feat could be totally valid or not, it still isn't a statement.


It all boils down to this:

Feats = actions
Statements = words

Validity of feats/statements does not change this. They're not the same thing.
So SSJ3 Goku never fought raditz does Goku need feats to say he can beat Raditz or does statements say that he would destroy him?

According to you guys Goku needs to fight Raditz himself to beat him. :rofl:


@tin Man feats = action

What action did Dumbledore show in the books that he was homosexual?
It has nothing to do with the feat's/statement's validity! The point is that statements and feats are different things.
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Nov 20 2015, 08:22 PM
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Nov 20 2015, 08:20 PM
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Nov 20 2015, 08:17 PM
King Kakarot
Nov 20 2015, 08:13 PM
So when J.K Rowling said Dumbledore is g** when it was never written in her books or shown that he was g** in the books were not supposed to believe her?
That's not what I meant. Your statement could be completely valid or totally invalid, it still isn't a feat.
Likewise, your feat could be totally valid or not, it still isn't a statement.


It all boils down to this:

Feats = actions
Statements = words

Validity of feats/statements does not change this. They're not the same thing.
So SSJ3 Goku never fought raditz does Goku need feats to say he can beat Raditz or does statements say that he would destroy him?

According to you guys Goku needs to fight Raditz himself to beat him. :rofl:


@tin Man feats = action

What action did Dumbledore show in the books that he was homosexual?
It has nothing to do with the feat's/statement's validity! The point is that statements and feats are different things.
Statements can be used as feats is the whole point of this argument otherwise Goku as a SSJ3 can't beat Raditz becuase he lacks feats of actually fighting Raditz himself.

While statements say otherwise
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Nov 20 2015, 08:20 PM
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Nov 20 2015, 08:17 PM
King Kakarot
Nov 20 2015, 08:13 PM
So when J.K Rowling said Dumbledore is g** when it was never written in her books or shown that he was g** in the books were not supposed to believe her?
That's not what I meant. Your statement could be completely valid or totally invalid, it still isn't a feat.
Likewise, your feat could be totally valid or not, it still isn't a statement.


It all boils down to this:

Feats = actions
Statements = words

Validity of feats/statements does not change this. They're not the same thing.
So SSJ3 Goku never fought raditz does Goku need feats to say he can beat Raditz or does statements say that he would destroy him?

According to you guys Goku needs to fight Raditz himself to beat him. :rofl:
That's more going by straight feats KK, and again, DB Roshi vs Krillin by straight feats favors Roshi.
I mean KK I'm not sure what's hard to understand. a feat is an action, that does not mean it's valid (Spiderman faster than light anyone?)
a statement is someone talking that does not mean it's invalid. Like you understand this right? If you want to use a word for them both you could use "facts" or something considering you go by a "one time and it's good" system of feats and statements.

No KK, they can be used as evidence, not feats. It's like saying a door can be used as a knife in a court case. It can't, they are not the same thing, you may use both to showcase a particular point, but that doesn't mean they're the same thing.
Edited by Tinny, Nov 20 2015, 08:25 PM.
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If you don't allow statements as feats in DragonBall you can't powerscale anything
Edited by King Kakarot, Nov 20 2015, 08:25 PM.
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Nov 20 2015, 08:25 PM
If you don't allow statements as evidence in DragonBall you can't powerscale anything
Fixed that for you. Evidence, not feats, feats are a type of evidence. Those words are not interchangeable.

Also, yeah, you can, X beat Y, Y beat Z, thus X can beat Z. X>Z
Boom. power scaling.

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Nov 20 2015, 08:25 PM
If you don't allow statements as feats in DragonBall you can't powerscale anything
You can't power sc... mother f*** er all they do is fight each other! So what you're saying is actually BATTLES have no place in a power scale? Bugger off!
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