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Ssjg Raditz vs Dragon Ball/Z/GT/Super
Topic Started: Nov 20 2015, 12:43 AM (3,438 Views)
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King Kakarot
Nov 20 2015, 07:08 PM
Did you not read the part where statements count as feats?

Plenty of statements make Omega stronger than Freeza
KK, much as it pains me to say it, the dictionary disagrees with you. Feats are not statements, by definition. Unless the word's meaning has changed within the last 1500 years or so, but please, prove me wrong. I won't debate the semantics, but it's f***ing English man, I know you passed that class.

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Statements are feats by word of mouth

Example: a 2 year old boy struggles to lift 30 pounds with 2 hands and a Fully grown man who has no health deficiencies and never lifted anything in his life says he's stronger than the boy are you going to say that becuase he lacks feats of lifting 30 pounds that he can't?


Statements are another word of feats since the man doesn't need to lift 30 pounds to say he's stronger than the boy
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King Kakarot
Nov 20 2015, 07:31 PM
Statements are feats by word of mouth

Example: a 2 year old boy lifts 30 pounds with 2 hands and a Fully grown man who has no health deficiencies never lifted anything in his life says he's stronger than they boy are you going to say that becuase he lacks feats of lifting 30 pounds that he can't?
Well if he has muscular distrophy? f***ing yes! Or if he's a paraplegic he probably might not be able to. So yes, until it is proven then yes!

Also 2 year old lifts 30 pounds? My two year old is barely 30 pounds, you aren't good at this son.
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Nov 20 2015, 07:34 PM
King Kakarot
Nov 20 2015, 07:31 PM
Statements are feats by word of mouth

Example: a 2 year old boy lifts 30 pounds with 2 hands and a Fully grown man who has no health deficiencies never lifted anything in his life says he's stronger than they boy are you going to say that becuase he lacks feats of lifting 30 pounds that he can't?
Well if he has muscular distrophy? f***ing yes! Or if he's a paraplegic he probably might not be able to. So yes, until it is proven then yes!

Also 2 year old lifts 30 pounds? My two year old is barely 30 pounds, you aren't good at this son.
I guess you lack reading comprehension because i clearly say he has no health deficiencies and missed the point where i said he struggles to lift it.


You should actually read what i'm saying because you're just making yourself look like a fool.

If a child can barely lift 30 pounds with 2 hands and a full grown adult with no health problems says he stronger he doesn't need a feat of lifting 30 pounds it's common sense to know who's stronger.
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@King Kakarot, the fact that he (the adult) could even stand, is itself a feat of lifting something greater than 30 lbs. That's ~13.6 kilograms. An average human has a mass of ~60ish kilograms, give or take.
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Nov 20 2015, 07:39 PM
@King Kakarot, the fact that he (the adult) could even stand, is itself a feat of lifting something greater than 30 lbs.
I was referring to lifting weights.Just because i weigh over 100 pounds doesn't mean i'm lifting that much weight with 1 arm
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Nov 20 2015, 07:41 PM
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Nov 20 2015, 07:39 PM
@King Kakarot, the fact that he (the adult) could even stand, is itself a feat of lifting something greater than 30 lbs.
I was referring to lifting weights.Just because i weigh over 100 pounds doesn't mean i'm lifting that much weight with 1 arm
The thing is that you're constantly lifting yourself as long as you stand. Your legs are just the ones doing the lifting here. You'll need to have been totally paralyzed since birth to literally have never lifted anything in your life.

Also, statements aren't feats. Feats are actions, statements are words.
Edited by bloodstained euphy, Nov 20 2015, 07:48 PM.
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Nov 20 2015, 07:45 PM
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Nov 20 2015, 07:41 PM
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@King Kakarot, the fact that he (the adult) could even stand, is itself a feat of lifting something greater than 30 lbs.
I was referring to lifting weights.Just because i weigh over 100 pounds doesn't mean i'm lifting that much weight with 1 arm
The thing is that you're constantly lifting yourself as long as you stand. Your legs are just the ones doing the lifting here. You'll need to have been totally paralyzed since birth to literally have never lifted anything in your life.
It doesn't matter if you're constantly lifting yourself someone who weighs 100+ pounds and can jog miles isn't going to be lifting 100 pounds in 1 arm and casually walking around with it.

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Nov 20 2015, 07:31 PM
Statements are feats by word of mouth

Example: a 2 year old boy struggles to lift 30 pounds with 2 hands and a Fully grown man who has no health deficiencies never lifted anything in his life says he's stronger than the boy are you going to say that becuase he lacks feats of lifting 30 pounds that he can't?


Statements are another word of feats since the man doesn't need to lift 30 pounds to say he's stronger than the boy
No. They're statements with nothing backing them up (see if they were backed up by feats people would use that/those feat/s instead of a statement).
Nice loaded example, or was it an anecdotal fallacy? I mean I can easily go and say "If Bulma says she can defeat Cell by pimp slapping him, should you believe her?" And use that to say statements are never useful ever.
Also you changed the subject, you seem to have avoided answering me on the Roshi Krillin issue, which highlights the problems with feats in Dragon Ball. Should I take this to mean we're done talking about the uselessness of straight feat taking in Dragon Ball?
And no they're not, semantics wise they're absolutely not the same thing, they're called statements because they're explicitly not feats.
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Bulma doesn't have any display of power for me to believe that statement that she could beat Cell with a slap.

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Your're saying a healthy full grown man of average height needs feats to say he's stronger than that child? :w00t:

Don't be ridiculous.Common sense indicates that the full grown man is stronger he doesn't need to lift anything to prove that plenty of scientific statements back that up.
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@King Kakarot, the fact that he (the adult) could even stand, is itself a feat of lifting something greater than 30 lbs.
I was referring to lifting weights.Just because i weigh over 100 pounds doesn't mean i'm lifting that much weight with 1 arm
The thing is that you're constantly lifting yourself as long as you stand. Your legs are just the ones doing the lifting here. You'll need to have been totally paralyzed since birth to literally have never lifted anything in your life.
It doesn't matter if you're constantly lifting yourself someone who weighs 100+ pounds and can jog miles isn't going to be lifting 100 pounds in 1 arm and casually walking around with it.

Maybe because arms aren't meant for weight support unlike legs are? In any case, you never specified that the adult had to use 1 arm to lift in your original post. Could easily just put the weights to rest on the shoulder or something.

In any case, real life has lesser need for feats than fiction has, I don't know why you used that as an example.
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Nov 20 2015, 07:39 PM
@King Kakarot, the fact that he (the adult) could even stand, is itself a feat of lifting something greater than 30 lbs.
I was referring to lifting weights.Just because i weigh over 100 pounds doesn't mean i'm lifting that much weight with 1 arm
The thing is that you're constantly lifting yourself as long as you stand. Your legs are just the ones doing the lifting here. You'll need to have been totally paralyzed since birth to literally have never lifted anything in your life.
It doesn't matter if you're constantly lifting yourself someone who weighs 100+ pounds and can jog miles isn't going to be lifting 100 pounds in 1 arm and casually walking around with it.

Maybe because arms aren't meant for weight support unlike legs are? In any case, you never specified that the adult had to use 1 arm to lift in your original post. Could easily just put the weights to rest on the shoulder or something.
Obviously i'm referring to lifting it up with thier arms :rofl:

A full grown man doesn't need to actually lift up a couple pounds to prove he's stronger than a child.The fact i have to explain that is just absurd.
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Nov 20 2015, 07:51 PM
Bulma doesn't have any display of power for me to believe that statement that she could beat Cell with a slap.

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Your're saying a healthy full grown man of average height needs feats to say he's stronger than that child? :w00t:

Don't be ridiculous.Common sense indicates that the full grown man is stronger he doesn't need to lift anything to prove that plenty of scientific statements back that up.
That's why I love KK. Never cheap foreplay with this guy, he always wants to f***.

Ok that said so if I just decide one day that I can backhand your a*** through a brick wall (or face, any part of you really) and I say I'm at one percent of my maximum power do you just accept that? Or are you going to ask me to punch you and prove it?
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Nov 20 2015, 07:58 PM
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Nov 20 2015, 07:51 PM
Bulma doesn't have any display of power for me to believe that statement that she could beat Cell with a slap.

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Your're saying a healthy full grown man of average height needs feats to say he's stronger than that child? :w00t:

Don't be ridiculous.Common sense indicates that the full grown man is stronger he doesn't need to lift anything to prove that plenty of scientific statements back that up.
That's why I love KK. Never cheap foreplay with this guy, he always wants to f***.

Ok that said so if I just decide one day that I can backhand your a*** through a brick wall (or face, any part of you really) and I say I'm at one percent of my maximum power do you just accept that? Or are you going to ask me to punch you and prove it?
That's scenario is impossible because a normal human can't backhand someone through a brick wall.

You don't need to perform the feat because by statements i know that's physically impossible.
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Nov 20 2015, 07:51 PM
Bulma doesn't have any display of power for me to believe that statement that she could beat Cell with a slap.

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Your're saying a healthy full grown man of average height needs feats to say he's stronger than that child? :w00t:

Don't be ridiculous.Common sense indicates that the full grown man is stronger he doesn't need to lift anything to prove that plenty of scientific statements back that up.
So basically you agree that statements aren't feats, otherwise you'd accept it in this hypothetical situation.

In fiction? With that basic situation of "X says he can do this thing."? Kinda! It's not like real life where you can gauge this kind of thing, see Dragon Ball for some good examples. Ace gave a real good example as well.

@KK, so in Dragon Ball you'd believe him, if we're in Dragon Ball and not real life ( rl is where you don't need to account for outliers).
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