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I would like some help from people who are savvy with computer parts
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~~Wong Lee~~	Nov 19 2015, 01:17 AM Post #31
Posts: 184 Group: Suspended Member #12,135 Joined: March 13, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime ex-Driver What Browser do you use? Netscape Favourite Manga none	I am not way behind time. Games only started using Quad Cores after 2013 even though Quad Core was introduced a long time back. Even till this date a dual or a Quad core is enough to run Current gen games provided that other requirements for the game are met. Most games are still just One or Two cores. Four Cores is recommended not because of games but due to the increasing Applications that are using Parallel Processing to speed up their internal operations and calculation. Hexa/Octal core are really worthless for gaming. This is because they are useful for applications where heavy graphics editing and heavy editing of other media's are required. They have no use for games because most games are either single threaded or the newer games are programmed just to be able to split into 2 threads. Really you can't Parrallelise much of a Game. And Hexa/Octal Core are really usefull for just Application which require Parallelism and Multi Tasking/threading.



FutureProtagonist	Nov 19 2015, 01:38 AM Post #32
Quwrof Wrlccywrlir Posts: 2,545 Group: Member Member #11,890 Joined: December 5, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Soul Eater	You are mistaken. Here are examples of games that utilize more than four threads: Spoiler: click to toggle Spoiler: click to toggle Spoiler: click to toggle Spoiler: click to toggle Spoiler: click to toggle Some games, like Far Cry 4 and Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare, will not start on a system that has 2 threads, without janking the settings around. Dual-core CPUs, like Pentiums, are totally worthless for gaming at this point; even ones that do start are prone to massive stuttering. The very fact that a triple A developer can release games that literally do not run on dual core CPUs should be a clear indication that dual core CPUs are not going to work for games from here on out. It's no coincidence that these games are starting to appear now, when the current console generation has a very slow 8-core CPU (6 of which games can use). They need every ounce of that CPU's capability, they need to be able to use all 6 cores that they have available to them. Trying to run games on even 4, god forbid 2 or 1 thread(s) with that CPU is going to be a disaster. The implemented parallelism benefits PC versions as well. And of course, the ultimate reason I recommended an 8-thread system: Spoiler: click to toggle You can clearly see a very wide gulf between the 4 thread i5s and the 8/12 thread i7s, and this the title Nila specifically wants to have good performance in. I don't deny that 4-core systems work, but a better experience, especially if you want to keep if for a long time, can be had by having an 6 or 8 thread system. You are out of touch if you think that dual/single cores are sufficient for modern titles. They just aren't, not since the PS4/Xbox One made their debut. I could agree with you if this were 2012, but not now. Check out this comparison between a Skylake i5 and i7, the gap is there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhaB1dqYv_I Edited by FutureProtagonist, Nov 19 2015, 01:42 AM.
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~~Wong Lee~~	Nov 19 2015, 03:18 AM Post #33
Posts: 184 Group: Suspended Member #12,135 Joined: March 13, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime ex-Driver What Browser do you use? Netscape Favourite Manga none	When I was referring to Dual Core I was mainly aiming at i3. I agree with your Pentium Dual Core argument and I was in no way relating to it.But, I still think a Quad Core(i5) and Dual Core(i3) is enough for most of the games. i7 with Octal/Hexa Core is pretty much still useless for gaming. I agree that there is a slight performance increase and you can play at higher resolution's.But, the increment and benefits IMO is not worth it(in terms of gaming only) and is not consistent and has various other factors involved. Also, when I was referring to games using 'Single Core' or 'Two Cores' what I mean is that even if you have an Octal/Hexa/Quad Cores Your game 's thread Major Workload be loaded only in 1 or 2 cores. So,as the amount of workload that will be assigned to each core will decreases as the number cores the computer assigns the workload to increases. For example if the total work unit for game is 10 on a scale of 1-10 and say you have a Quad core the workload will be assigned as follows, core1 - 7 core2 - 2 core3 - 0.5 core4 - 0.5 For Octal Core it's even worst core1- 7 core2- 2 core3- 0.166 core4- 0.166 core5- 0.166 core6- 0.166 core7- 0.166 core8- 0.166 So as you can see as more number of cores are assigned the workload the lesser the workload they get. In the above example core 3 to core 8 have almost negligible workload and all the bottleneck is formed around core 1.It's like core 3 and core 8 don't contribute almost anything to the computations.All those example you provide don't take this into considerations and don't show the actual workload distribution in the cores and the overhead involved in the core with max amount of load. So yeah IMO I fee like Quad and dual(i3) is more than enough if you want a gaming experience of 8/10(quad) or 7/10(dual i3). But,hey if you want a 9/10 experience with games then go right ahead with Octal/Hex cores.But, IMO it's just a waste of money(if you are planning for gaming only) because the gaming industry is moving towards Service Oriented Architecture(SOA) in about 4~5 years where you will no longer require games to be run on your PC/Laptop because they will be already be run for you by powerful PC's at the back end servers and your Machine will just send and receive commands to the server.



Axiomatically Prodigious	Nov 19 2015, 08:28 PM Post #34
Posts: 2,433 Group: Saiyan Elite Member #8,939 Joined: January 29, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DragonBall [Z, S, GT], Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Gangsta, Steins;Gate, Berserk, Tokyo Ghoul What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DragonBall [Z, S], Legend of Zelda	FP, I don't have time right but, but can you tel me your thoughts on this? I'll check back later when I get a chance. http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FD8350FRHKBOX-FX-8350-8-Core-Processor/dp/B009O7YUF6/ref=lp_13459453011_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1447964287&sr=1-2 http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-vs-AMD-FX-8350/1537vs1489
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FutureProtagonist	Nov 19 2015, 08:48 PM Post #35
Quwrof Wrlccywrlir Posts: 2,545 Group: Member Member #11,890 Joined: December 5, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Soul Eater	FX is a horrendously outdated platform and doesn't perform consistently well. I'd go with an i5-4460 over that (easily worth the extra $30-40), even an i3-4160/6100. I was just using it as an example of how games can utilize 6-8 threads, but core for core, an FX performs far below a Xeon/4770/4790. Sometimes its performance is absolutely dire. Edited by FutureProtagonist, Nov 19 2015, 08:49 PM.
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Axiomatically Prodigious	Nov 19 2015, 09:55 PM Post #36
Posts: 2,433 Group: Saiyan Elite Member #8,939 Joined: January 29, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DragonBall [Z, S, GT], Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Gangsta, Steins;Gate, Berserk, Tokyo Ghoul What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DragonBall [Z, S], Legend of Zelda	Hmm, alright. What's the purpose for something like the FX8350 then?
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FutureProtagonist	Nov 19 2015, 10:02 PM Post #37
Quwrof Wrlccywrlir Posts: 2,545 Group: Member Member #11,890 Joined: December 5, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Soul Eater	It's just not a very good product. It's supposed to compete with Intel's offerings, but even when it came out it could barely do that. Now it's 3 or 4 years later and it's still one of AMD's highest-end chips. It can perform well in some games, as I said, and in a perfectly ideal workload (where every core can be used), it would be competitive, but its architecture just isn't as robust as that of Intel CPUs. It works if you're on a tight budget and have needs beyond just gaming, but for a gamer, I'd recommend an i3 over it.
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Axiomatically Prodigious	Nov 19 2015, 10:04 PM Post #38
Posts: 2,433 Group: Saiyan Elite Member #8,939 Joined: January 29, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DragonBall [Z, S, GT], Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Gangsta, Steins;Gate, Berserk, Tokyo Ghoul What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DragonBall [Z, S], Legend of Zelda	Alright. Thanks for all of the information you've provided so far! I really appreciate it! Just saw this!!! http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-750-Watt-BRONZE-Certified-Hive-750/dp/B005ILWYT6/ref=lp_13459453011_1_21?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1447970766&sr=1-21 Edited by Axiomatically Prodigious, Nov 19 2015, 10:07 PM.
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FutureProtagonist	Nov 19 2015, 10:08 PM Post #39
Quwrof Wrlccywrlir Posts: 2,545 Group: Member Member #11,890 Joined: December 5, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Soul Eater	No problem. Very happy to help. That looks like a good unit. When shopping for power supplies, I look for 80+ certified, that it comes from a reputable brand (like Rosewill) and that its wattage is at least 120%-130% of the estimated wattage for my PC. It's also nice if the power supply is modular or semi-modular (meaning that the power connectors can be removed and added as necessary). Any system with a 970 + i3/i5/i7 won't need anything more than a 500W power supply, but honestly it's never bad to have some extra headroom, and PSU pricing is bit variable. There are actually a lot of good PSUs available for cheap: http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/power-supply/#sort=a9&page=1 I'd recommend 600W or so, and something that has lots of reviews. You can probably find something very nice for $30-$40 and save a bit over the one you linked. Edited by FutureProtagonist, Nov 19 2015, 10:15 PM.
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Axiomatically Prodigious	Nov 20 2015, 02:19 AM Post #40
Posts: 2,433 Group: Saiyan Elite Member #8,939 Joined: January 29, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DragonBall [Z, S, GT], Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Gangsta, Steins;Gate, Berserk, Tokyo Ghoul What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DragonBall [Z, S], Legend of Zelda	Do you advise against buying used parts? Is there anything that could go wrong if I were to purchase a used Xeon or a GTX 970? Edited by Axiomatically Prodigious, Nov 20 2015, 02:19 AM.
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FutureProtagonist	Nov 20 2015, 02:26 AM Post #41
Quwrof Wrlccywrlir Posts: 2,545 Group: Member Member #11,890 Joined: December 5, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Soul Eater	Not at all. Buying used is often a great way to cut down on costs. Just make sure whoever you're buying from has a decent reputation, but I'm sure you know that. I've bought multiple used parts in the past and have never been burned.
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Axiomatically Prodigious	Nov 20 2015, 02:30 AM Post #42
Posts: 2,433 Group: Saiyan Elite Member #8,939 Joined: January 29, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DragonBall [Z, S, GT], Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Gangsta, Steins;Gate, Berserk, Tokyo Ghoul What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DragonBall [Z, S], Legend of Zelda	Sweet! Then, this might be easier than I originally thought and not as expensive. Here is what my reaction will be once new parts are in and I'm running Fallout 4 around 60 fps:
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Axiomatically Prodigious	Nov 21 2015, 03:37 PM Post #43
Posts: 2,433 Group: Saiyan Elite Member #8,939 Joined: January 29, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DragonBall [Z, S, GT], Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Gangsta, Steins;Gate, Berserk, Tokyo Ghoul What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DragonBall [Z, S], Legend of Zelda	FP! Time for an update and some questions. Firstly, these two items are set in stone: http://www.ebay.com/itm/301380753265 http://www.ebay.com/itm/181856773510 I'll most likely be buying those two exact ones, unless I see a better deal on BF and CB. Now, what's your opinion on something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/361431414244 over the Xeon? http://www.ebay.com/itm/331654894902 over the 970?
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FutureProtagonist	Nov 21 2015, 07:16 PM Post #44
Quwrof Wrlccywrlir Posts: 2,545 Group: Member Member #11,890 Joined: December 5, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Soul Eater	The 4790 should perform more or less exactly the same as the Xeon, so you can't go wrong there. I'd suggest this motherboard instead: http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-Motherboard-Intel-Z97-PC-Mate-DDR3-USB3-0-ATX-HDMI-/191742971792?hash=item2ca4c58f90:g:OewAAOSwsFpWRAS0 It's cheaper and has more features, though it is ending soon. The price on that 960 is too high, and the single fan design probably means it's a bit hotter and louder than most 960s. I'd suggest going for an EVGA, B-stock 970: http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=04G-P4-2978-RX B-stock means Quote: :B-Stock Products are units which may have small scratches, small dents, or noticeable use which are Factory Recertified to meet or exceed the performance of a new product of the same model. These products do not come with any accessories and include a 1 year limited warranty. Only $30 more and performs anywhere from 25% to 40+% faster. A few scratches shouldn't matter; that's a good price. The PSU looks good., though you could consider an b-stock 600W unit: http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=100-B1-0600-RX Edited by FutureProtagonist, Nov 21 2015, 07:24 PM.
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Axiomatically Prodigious	Nov 21 2015, 07:25 PM Post #45
Posts: 2,433 Group: Saiyan Elite Member #8,939 Joined: January 29, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DragonBall [Z, S, GT], Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Gangsta, Steins;Gate, Berserk, Tokyo Ghoul What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DragonBall [Z, S], Legend of Zelda	Alright, I added that MB to my watch list. Maybe I'll buy it today. Just have to do some more looking around. B-stock, huh? I'll be looking more into that shortly and see what other deals are available at the moment. Have you ever bought computer parts on BF and CB in the past? If so, how "good" are the deals then compared to any other time?
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