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I would like some help from people who are savvy with computer parts
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Axiomatically Prodigious	Nov 17 2015, 01:01 AM Post #16
Posts: 2,433 Group: Saiyan Elite Member #8,939 Joined: January 29, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DragonBall [Z, S, GT], Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Gangsta, Steins;Gate, Berserk, Tokyo Ghoul What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DragonBall [Z, S], Legend of Zelda	Can you take a quick look to see what options I have for a new motherboard with the same socket that I currently have? A similar, new motherboard, the Xeon, and a 960 or 970 should last me quite some time, right? If you think so otherwise, then I'll have to stick to the original plan: CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard PSU: Rosewill Glacier-600M
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FutureProtagonist	Nov 17 2015, 01:09 AM Post #17
Quwrof Wrlccywrlir Posts: 2,545 Group: Member Member #11,890 Joined: December 5, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Soul Eater	The FM2+ socket is just a dead end. The A10-7870K is the absolute fastest processor available on that platform, and comparing to the one you already have, these are the results: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-A10-7850K-vs-AMD-A10-5800K The issue is that they're all based on the same processor design, or microarchitecture. Any 4 core CPU based on that particular architecture will have the same performance per clock, and there are no vast clock speed (GHz) differences between processors in that socket. The $50 Pentium G3220 is not fundamentally different from the $1000 i7-5960X; each core performs the same (no difference in an application that only uses one CPU core), the difference is that the 5960X has 8 cores (+8 virtual ones), while the Pentium has 2. There are no FM2+ CPUs that have more than 4 cores. You already have a 4 core, so you won't see big improvements no matter what you do.
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Axiomatically Prodigious	Nov 17 2015, 01:15 AM Post #18
Posts: 2,433 Group: Saiyan Elite Member #8,939 Joined: January 29, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DragonBall [Z, S, GT], Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Gangsta, Steins;Gate, Berserk, Tokyo Ghoul What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DragonBall [Z, S], Legend of Zelda	Alright, then the setup that I have now is done for. "the only difference is it has an (unnoticeably) lower clock speed, and lacks integrated graphics" What does the lack of integrated graphics mean exactly? Does this matter if I'm going to be getting a 960/970?
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FutureProtagonist	Nov 17 2015, 01:34 AM Post #19
Quwrof Wrlccywrlir Posts: 2,545 Group: Member Member #11,890 Joined: December 5, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Soul Eater	It doesn't matter. Integrated graphics refers to a graphics processor (what a 960/970 is) that's built onto the same die as the CPU. They're good for office computers and the like because they do provide a video output and are capable of basic tasks like watching videos and playing League of Legends, but if you have a "discrete" graphics processor like a 960/970, it won't even be used (at all). It just takes up space on CPU die. The FM2+ chipset has CPUs that are designed for super low budget gaming; its specialty is the aforementioned integrated graphics. It's not designed to really be used in a system with a discrete GPU; AMD's FX series on the AM3 socket is where you would go for that. Unfortunately, all those CPUs are really old and generally perform badly. Edited by FutureProtagonist, Nov 17 2015, 01:36 AM.
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Axiomatically Prodigious	Nov 17 2015, 01:36 AM Post #20
Posts: 2,433 Group: Saiyan Elite Member #8,939 Joined: January 29, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DragonBall [Z, S, GT], Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Gangsta, Steins;Gate, Berserk, Tokyo Ghoul What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DragonBall [Z, S], Legend of Zelda	CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 v3 Quad-core (4 Core) 3.40 GHz GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card OR 960 depending on the deal Motherboard: ASRock H97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard PSU: Rosewill Glacier-600M Then it seems that this is my new shopping list. Edited by Axiomatically Prodigious, Nov 17 2015, 01:37 AM.
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FutureProtagonist	Nov 17 2015, 01:40 AM Post #21
Quwrof Wrlccywrlir Posts: 2,545 Group: Member Member #11,890 Joined: December 5, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Soul Eater	Good choices; can't go wrong with any of that. You'll be able to keep that system, with 16GB of RAM, for the forseeable future. Edited by FutureProtagonist, Nov 17 2015, 01:41 AM.
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Axiomatically Prodigious	Nov 17 2015, 01:44 AM Post #22
Posts: 2,433 Group: Saiyan Elite Member #8,939 Joined: January 29, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DragonBall [Z, S, GT], Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Gangsta, Steins;Gate, Berserk, Tokyo Ghoul What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DragonBall [Z, S], Legend of Zelda	Final question, how did you come across the Xeon information? It's a substantial amount less than the i7 we were first looking at.
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FutureProtagonist	Nov 17 2015, 01:51 AM Post #23
Quwrof Wrlccywrlir Posts: 2,545 Group: Member Member #11,890 Joined: December 5, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Soul Eater	Xeon chips are generally reserved for professional use, and very expensive (you can find some that cost $5000+), so I just never really looked at them before. I saw a moderator on Tom's Hardware, a tech forum, mention them to a person who was looking for a new system. Unfortunately, the thread turnover is really fast there, so I can't find the post. It's also a suggestion under their "best gaming CPUs" article: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html linked article You never expected to see a Xeon in our list of recommendations to gamers, did you? Nowadays, Intel's entry-level to mid-range enterprise chips are derived from the same dies as its desktop offerings. That means this Xeon E3-1231v3 is almost identical to the Core i7-4770. Except that it doesn't have integrated graphics, bringing power consumption down a bit. The Xeon's price is about $20 higher than the Core i5-4690K. One gives you plenty of headroom to overclock. The other enables Hyper-Threading. Depending on the applications you run in the background while you game (streaming, anyone?), four extra logical cores could be the better choice. They are underplaying the effect that the extra logical cores has, though. Edited by FutureProtagonist, Nov 17 2015, 01:53 AM.
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Axiomatically Prodigious	Nov 17 2015, 02:02 AM Post #24
Posts: 2,433 Group: Saiyan Elite Member #8,939 Joined: January 29, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DragonBall [Z, S, GT], Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Gangsta, Steins;Gate, Berserk, Tokyo Ghoul What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DragonBall [Z, S], Legend of Zelda	Awesome! Then it seems like the Xeon is the most suitable and the best bang for the buck in my case. Now that I think about it, what should I do in terms of the cooling fan for the CPU? A while back, one of my hardcore computer friends said this is the only thing he would ever resort to: http://www.legitreviews.com/noctua-nh-d14-hsf-review-the-best-cpu-cooler-ever_1212 What're your thoughts?
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FutureProtagonist	Nov 17 2015, 02:08 AM Post #25
Quwrof Wrlccywrlir Posts: 2,545 Group: Member Member #11,890 Joined: December 5, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Soul Eater	For a CPU that doesn't overclock, stick with the CPU cooler that comes in the box.
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Axiomatically Prodigious	Nov 17 2015, 02:11 AM Post #26
Posts: 2,433 Group: Saiyan Elite Member #8,939 Joined: January 29, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DragonBall [Z, S, GT], Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Gangsta, Steins;Gate, Berserk, Tokyo Ghoul What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DragonBall [Z, S], Legend of Zelda	Computers are starting to become like cars now. You do one thing and next thing you know, you want/need to do something else! I'm assuming my case is still going to suffice for the new parts. I'm trying to look up to see which model I have. Bear with me for a moment and I'll update this post. Here is the case that I have: http://store.nanoxiausa.com/collections/nanoxia-cases/products/deep-silence-2-mid-tower-e-atx-video-editing-computer-black Edited by Axiomatically Prodigious, Nov 17 2015, 02:13 AM.
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FutureProtagonist	Nov 17 2015, 02:15 AM Post #27
Quwrof Wrlccywrlir Posts: 2,545 Group: Member Member #11,890 Joined: December 5, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Soul Eater	That thing is huge. It even supports E-ATX motherboards and 14.5 inch graphics cards. Everything will fit in there without the slightest difficulty. Only the longest of the long graphics cards could be a problem.
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Axiomatically Prodigious	Nov 17 2015, 02:17 AM Post #28
Posts: 2,433 Group: Saiyan Elite Member #8,939 Joined: January 29, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime DragonBall [Z, S, GT], Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Gangsta, Steins;Gate, Berserk, Tokyo Ghoul What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DragonBall [Z, S], Legend of Zelda	Sweet! I bought this case from Micro Center about two years ago with my friend (the one that got the fan) on sale for about $80 or so. Then, it seems that we have a solid plan. If you happen to see anything else pop up that catches your attention, please let me know! I'm excited to upgrade and witness what I have been missing out on.
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~~Wong Lee~~	Nov 18 2015, 01:39 PM Post #29
Posts: 184 Group: Suspended Member #12,135 Joined: March 13, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime ex-Driver What Browser do you use? Netscape Favourite Manga none	Why do you even bother with i7 and Xenon Processors if your sole purpose for the PC is just gaming and other casual stuff?I hope you realize that most of your cores will end up not being utilized at all.Most of the cores will be Idle as all the games are run only as a single Instance on a single core. i7 and Xenon are intended for other activities and are primarily used in an environment where efficient thread management and processing of the threads are required. Edited by Wong Lee, Nov 18 2015, 01:41 PM.



FutureProtagonist	Nov 18 2015, 05:59 PM Post #30
Quwrof Wrlccywrlir Posts: 2,545 Group: Member Member #11,890 Joined: December 5, 2014 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Waterfox Favourite Manga Soul Eater	Times have changed. In Fallout 4 especially, there's a large gap between i5s and i7s. The Xeon I recommend is comparable in cost to an i5 anyway. You're way behind the times if you think games only use one core. Almost every game these days can use 6 because consoles have 6 cores. Edited by FutureProtagonist, Nov 18 2015, 06:01 PM.
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