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Attacks in Paris
Tweet Topic Started: Nov 13 2015, 10:00 PM (5,382 Views)
lazerbem	Nov 16 2015, 12:44 AM Post #121
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Quote: True but teach the able how to fight and let them fix the country in their own way, if us foreigners rarely help let them do it, if they want their country back they'll have to succeed. US is trying that out with some Iraqi forces. It's not working out well, to say the least Quote: Would also improve general opinions on the people, they'd no longer be considered scroungers if they took action. I really don't think that public opinion is a good motivator, especially since a lot of the hatred is pretty much xenophobia Quote: It would if they succeeded. Don't the immigrants outnumber the dickbags by far? Give them training and they ought to win on numbers alone, especially good since they know the country better than any of our forces. If we're not good at guerrilla warfare then who better to send in than the people born and raised there? By that logic, the Vietnam War should have been a cakewalk. After all, the South Vietnamese were being trained and fought alongside American troops. Quote: Isn't something different as good a place to start as any? Current methods aren't working, time to change. The problem is that this strategy leads to even more bloodshed than before and is extremely unlikely to work Quote: Perhaps giving Assad a s* ton of money and weapons could help? Then we boot his a* out when it's sorted? It's the most efficient way to get rid of IS, sure, the problem is that Assad is hardly a saint himself and there will be massive amounts of collateral. Also, booting him is just going to end up making more terrorists and spilling more blood. Even subversive coups haven't been too effective, imagine how much worse it would be if it was an outright deposition. Think of Egypt and the problems it's been having. Also, Israel would probably pitch a fit and the public would absolutely hate it, and with good reason. Admittedly, this has been shown to work before in history(WW2 and Stalin), but in the modern era, with so many people connected, you can't just help out someone like Assad without public opinion being massively against it.
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+ Pelador	Nov 16 2015, 12:53 AM Post #122
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	I hate situations like this with no correct answers.
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lazerbem	Nov 16 2015, 12:58 AM Post #123
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Pelador Nov 16 2015, 12:53 AM I hate situations like this with no correct answers. Well the right answer is ideally to train local forces and then have them take them out. The problem is that the local forces, even when trained are kind of...inept, to put it nicely.
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+ Pelador	Nov 16 2015, 01:01 AM Post #124
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	And we don't know who we should be training. We could be unknowingly helping people who are even worse than Assad.
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Sectum Sempra	Nov 16 2015, 04:18 AM Post #125
Posts: 127 Group: Member Member #12,311 Joined: May 9, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? G Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball/Z	Steve Nov 15 2015, 05:36 PM Hahahahahahaha Oh God: Americans here on DBZF, I will feel so sorry for you if he becomes President ever. Seriously, is this guy for real? I'm starting to think someone has just hired him as a joke to make themselves look better so they get voted in...holy f***. I'm not a Trump fan, I think he's for the most part nothing but a publicity stunt. But, what exactly did he say that was false? I'll argue that what he said is 100% spot on, if not for the first time ever. Do you seriously think gun control is the answer, and not bettering ourselves as human beings? That's such a childish notion. Hitler thought just like you. Obama tried. Didn't work. It's the same absurd (and ignorant) logic that HEY LETS MAKE SOMETHING ILLEGAL, IT'LL KEEP IT OFF THE STREETS. Yeah. Maybe we should try that with cocaine and heroine. If we make those drugs illegal, surely it'd stop. Right? Right? In fact, if even just 1 person had a gun at that moment, instead of the extremely anti-gun French laws, maybe 1..2..100 people could have been saved? Because that's happened before. Terrorism has in fact been stopped in the US by a legal carrying citizen. It's just common sense.



+ Pelador	Nov 16 2015, 04:28 AM Post #126
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	It's also been prevented before by people who weren't carrying guns. There's an example in Scotland a few years ago where they all took a man down who was trying to attack an airport. And how about all the countries where they can arm themselves? They are allowed guns in Nigeria. It doesn't stop Boko Harem from kidnapping hundreds of people. Same in Turkey. Really relaxed gun laws, huge risk of being killed or kidnapped by terrorists. So no, guns don't do much good. The idea that we should all arm ourselves in the street because there's a small chance that this could happen is lunacy. Do we really need to be that paranoid? Another thing you should take into account is that these people are willing to die for their cause. Knowing the entire population is armed won't stop them one bit. Oh yeah and before guns were illegal in my country we still had plenty of terrorism. Not just from the IRA either.
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+ Steve	Nov 16 2015, 04:39 AM Post #127
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	EDIT Yeah I remember that Pelador, that s* was hilarious. The headline was something like "I KICKED A FLAMING TERRORIST IN THE BALLS" I'm 100% being serious the tabloids did have something like that. ...not really. There's a MASSIVE difference between shooting targets, maybe a few deer and actually being in a combat situation. More guns would mean more bloodshed, attackers would come in way harder(unless they somehow didn't know civilians had guns) There's no way regular people would be able to fight against terrorists like they're Bryan Mills or something, that's a completely stupid notion because if you add 10 civilians with guns vs 20 terrorists with guns how the hell do the civilians know who to shoot at? Adrenaline and fear going like crazy anyone with a gun is getting shot, except maybe law enforcement. You're thinking in action movie logic, shooting back while you're being fired at isn't exactly easy and it's not something shooting targets every now and then prepares people for. If the civilians in Paris had guns even more people would die and the terrorists would probably have upped their game by bringing in tons of grenades and whatnot. Should we give civilians those too? What if the terrorists have rocket launchers? If everyone has a rocket launcher ready that would be helpful, right? The only effective method is to stop people like these terrorists ever getting in to the country in the first place. Gun control works fine. How much gun crime is there in the UK again? Mass shooting in America almost every day, don't pretend they're all illegally procured weapons. Anyway. I still say train immigrants willing to fight and let them take their country back, of course help them a bit but apparently our soldiers are too precious to even risk one of them dying so f* knows if that would happen. I find that pathetic to be honest, what's the point in an army if you're not willing to put them in warzones? It's their job if they haven't at all accepted that in their line of work they may be killed they shouldn't be in an army. Edited by Steve, Nov 16 2015, 04:40 AM.
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lazerbem	Nov 16 2015, 04:43 AM Post #128
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	I find it kind of funny how you say that arming the citizens is a bad idea(totally agree, btw), but that sending the immigrants back with guns will help. This has historically not worked. Quote: I find that pathetic to be honest, what's the point in an army if you're not willing to put them in warzones? It's their job if they haven't at all accepted that in their line of work they may be killed they shouldn't be in an army. Because a lot of these engagements end up spilling tons of blood for little gain. The last interventions into the Middle East haven't exactly done much good, and in the case of the US, we already fought another guerilla war in Vietnam, and that was a colossal mess that ended up achieving nothing. Fighting this type of war is a bit different compared to fighting an organized army. Also, the Americans at least are war weary. We've been throwing soldiers into quite a few conflicts in the Middle East recently, and not much success. It lowers morale when you get into wars so often over similar reasons(to the untrained eye) and still achieve little Edited by lazerbem, Nov 16 2015, 04:45 AM.
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Zoom	Nov 16 2015, 05:27 AM Post #129
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Quote: The other option is boots on the ground and the public is weary of that. Not to mention that the boots on the ground approach has historically not worked very well for the US against guerillas. This is why maybe the US need to work on their image problem. And with Obama sending in air strikes isn't helping America's image. The thing i don't get is, it's 2015, the technology used in those smart bombs should only kill the intended target, meaning it should be more precise.



lazerbem	Nov 16 2015, 01:22 PM Post #130
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	The problem is that IS conquers places, and obviously civilians are in these areas. So how can you tell who's an IS member and who isn't, given the lack of uniform? You can't unless you have soldiers on the ground, and for obvious reasons that's not a popular idea
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Zoom	Nov 20 2015, 01:23 AM Post #131
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	lazerbem Nov 16 2015, 01:22 PM The problem is that IS conquers places, and obviously civilians are in these areas. So how can you tell who's an IS member and who isn't, given the lack of uniform? You can't unless you have soldiers on the ground, and for obvious reasons that's not a popular idea America already has soldiers on the ground searching for targets to destroy before America even lands on foreign land, isn't the special forces job to secure safe landing? Also isn't it there job to find info and location on the ISIS targets? The soldiers mark them and they call in for a air strike, this is what confuses me, if the civilians are there with the ISIS members in the same village, why call for a air strike and not kill them stealth?



lazerbem	Nov 20 2015, 08:27 PM Post #132
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Real life isn't Metal Gear Solid. You can't just sneak into a place and quietly kill everyone and then sneak out. The problem is that IS embeds itself inside of villages and you can't always tell who is an IS member to begin with.
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+ Pelador	Nov 20 2015, 08:43 PM Post #133
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	They have a solution to beating Isis. First we need a UN mandate and Nato backing. Europe and Russia then need to combine forces including ground and air. When we've destroyed Isis we need to stick around to help rebuild Iraq and Syria. We also need to ensure similar groups don't pop up from the shadows. When every thing's settled down and rebuilt, we need to force Syria to hold democratic elections and Assad to step down as leader. Pie in the sky of course but that's what needs to be done.
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lazerbem	Nov 20 2015, 09:34 PM Post #134
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Pelador Nov 20 2015, 08:43 PM They have a solution to beating Isis. First we need a UN mandate and Nato backing. Europe and Russia then need to combine forces including ground and air. When we've destroyed Isis we need to stick around to help rebuild Iraq and Syria. We also need to ensure similar groups don't pop up from the shadows. When every thing's settled down and rebuilt, we need to force Syria to hold democratic elections and Assad to step down as leader. Pie in the sky of course but that's what needs to be done. Should the Americans help or should we just sit this one out due to bad track record with this?
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+ Pelador	Nov 20 2015, 09:41 PM Post #135
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	No. Don't need them. They don't have a good track record when it comes to intervention anyway like you said. Europe can handle the likes of Isis easily enough. It's what we do afterwards that is the tricky part.
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