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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 13 2015, 10:00 PM (5,388 Views) | |
| Darker | Nov 14 2015, 05:48 AM Post #31 |
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Nothing proves islamic terrorists are involved, so all your comments are unnecessary. |
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| Sectum Sempra | Nov 14 2015, 06:06 AM Post #32 |
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It was proven actually, as many eye witness reports say they were screaming things about Syria and ISIS as it happened. Maybe watch the news. |
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| POOHEAD189 | Nov 14 2015, 06:22 AM Post #33 |
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It says there might be up to 153 dead. It's so weird something like this could happen in such a civilized city, but it can.
You're pretty blind. 1) Reports aren't confirmations. And 2) Islam, Christianity, Judaism, all have main themes of peace. Radicals are not representations of the whole. In fact I'd argue 85% of normal Christians don't truly follow Christianity either. But either way, I can go to France and yell "FOR AMERICA" and shoot people. It doesn't mean America wants to destroy France. |
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| Notaka | Nov 14 2015, 08:13 AM Post #34 |
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First the charlie hebdo attacks and now this. I genuinely feel sorry for France. |
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| Sectum Sempra | Nov 14 2015, 08:42 AM Post #35 |
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You're apparently not very good at reading. I'm sorry about that. I'll repost my last post: Seriously, when are we going to stop calling this festering cesspool of evil and malice disgrace of a religion "peaceful"? When is everyone going to stop being such a nancy and stop being so damned offended by EVERYTHING and stand up for yourself and your freedom of speech? I cannot stand this anymore. 2015 truly is the year everyone was offended by everything. The world is afraid to offend Islam and tell it like it truly is: a group of evil, evil people. "But Sectum, if you talk to Western Muslims,..." Yeah, Western Muslims aren't real Muslims, sorry. I am an Apologetic, I study religions. It's kind of my thing. Read the Quran. I have. It gives detailed descriptions on how to murder those Muslims who don't adhere to the strict values of the Quran and Shariah Law. It says to kill them. Yes, kill Muslims. It also says to kill anyone who doesn't believe, except Christians, who can be offered a taxation for as long as they live, or as long as they live without converting to Islam. Anyone else? Kill them. Yeah, it's really a religion of "peace". Blunt fact: Western Muslims who condemn people like ISIS for doing what they do, simply aren't real Muslims. They're what Mohammed would call an infidel as well. "But Sectum, I read in the Quran not to kill anyone..." Yeah, sorry, the Quran has a law that states that anything written after something previously written in the Quran supersedes it, therefore if Verse 14 says don't kill, and verse 18 says kill them all, verse 18 is law. And guess what? That's actually exactly what the Quran does. It gets progressively more violent in nature the further you delve into it. Too bad that law exist. So no, it is not a religion of "peace" at all. Islam, as a religion, follows the code of their holy book, much like Christianity follows the Bible. IF A MUSLIM DOESN'T FOLLOW THE QURAN, THEY ARE NOT A TRUE MUSLIM, AND SHOULD BE KILLED AS STATED BY THE QURAN. Do you want me to bold, italicize, and strike through my text? Would you get it then? Islam is not a peaceful religion. Peaceful Islamist are backsliders, those not following the faith. True Islam = violent. It's quite simple. Get your head out of your a*** and open your eyes. |
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| POOHEAD189 | Nov 14 2015, 09:05 AM Post #36 |
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No I just think you're wrong
Well, yes it's true people get too butthurt nowadays. But I'm not one of them.
Never spoke about westerners
I never claimed it never said kill anyone either. But about every verse (that I know of) that is about violence is about defending themselves. As a student of history and someone who's studied a bit of the Quran, you need to realize the context of what was happening as it was being written. The muslims were fighting for control of the middle east during the latter parts of the text. Of course there'll be verses of the sword, but only during certain war times. Plus "Naskh's" is the word you're looking for when speaking about contradictory verses later on (just found out myself) and apparently, it's a very tricky issue amongst different sects of muslims and with different verses from the Quaran and the Sunna (the teachings of muhhamad). So it's not cut and dry, even if you seem to think so. It seems muhhamad taught people to be peaceful, until you need to wage war, and then fight.
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| Copy_Ninja | Nov 14 2015, 11:53 AM Post #37 |
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Alright then, let's say that everything you've written here is true. What do you do about it? I'm honestly very curious what people who think like you do believe should be done. |
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| Meowth | Nov 14 2015, 12:10 PM Post #38 |
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Religion and peaceful don't go in the same sentence, if it were peaceful, we would have never had the Crusades and other holy wars, can't just single out Islam on this point when a lot of religions have their problems with violence, even in their old texts. We don't really hear about Christian or Jewish extremists, they do exist, though not as organised. Why is ISIS organised? Because a power vacuum was created in the middle east when western countries didn't provide support and stability the region needed after getting rid of certain leaders. There are tensions in Ireland over two different forms of Christianity, religion is the problem, not one specific religion. In some people, it results in hatred for anyone who is different, but talking to them doesn't work, these are extremists. Most people don't follow the letter of their own counties laws, if they did, there would be no litter anywhere and no Friday nights getting drunk in public! So when it comes to religious laws, so the majority of those in a religion aren't going to follow all the laws set out, it is a minority, let's not pretend ISIS represents the majority of Muslims because they don't. The ones who end up suffering are those not involved in the conflict, ISIS don't care about their own soldiers, they provided the attackers with suicide belts, terrorist groups just want to destabilise and cause fear, if you attack or condemn all Muslims for these actions, the terrorists have won. |
 
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| + Ginyu | Nov 14 2015, 12:37 PM Post #39 |
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So now that we got blaming out of the way, what should be the next step for France and the rest of the EU? Close borders? Increase bombing? Decrease bombing? Continue as before? |
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| Copy_Ninja | Nov 14 2015, 01:39 PM Post #40 |
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There's really so many downsides to all of those options that it's hard to know what to do. You can't just close the borders. What we saw in Paris is what the refugees are fleeing from. To just say "nah, we think an absurdly small number of you might possibly be terrorists so we're just going to condemn all of you at once" is inhumane and any country that straight up does that is, frankly, disgusting. The bombing situation is similarly difficult. You can't decrease it, that's just letting ISIS move unchecked in those countries (well they have domestic opposition but it'd be a blow to lose that military support for sure). Plus those attacks can only do so much, if you want military victory you probably need to troops on the ground. However, that presents a whole load of other problems. Foreign troops brings with it terrorist propaganda about foreign infidels, destroying our country etc. Plus you aren't going to get much domestic support from many western countries to risk soldiers lives (for good reason). We can hardly just continue as we have been too because it's obviously not working too well. It's a mess. It's a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of deal. You go in, you get blamed for soldiers deaths over there and for giving the terrorists a rallying cry for recruitment. You don't go in, you're blamed for leaving the people over there to suffer and not helping out when you have the means. I'm just glad I'm not someone who has to make those sort of decisions. |
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| Meowth | Nov 14 2015, 03:07 PM Post #41 |
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The only answer is military intervention on the ground, the risk of more organised attacks is too high to ignore it, popular opinion be damned, the only way is to go on the offensive. There are always downsides, but if military intervention is done right and a country secured, refugee numbers should go down as people choose to return home, when it's safe. Airstrikes are useless, they don't work on their own, they need ground support. |
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| + Pelador | Nov 14 2015, 03:29 PM Post #42 |
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I think governments need to acknowledge that there are social issues which lead to disenchanted young people becoming radicalised. |
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| Buuberries | Nov 14 2015, 03:29 PM Post #43 |
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sounds similar to another religion that begins with c and ends with hristianity. For some reason I don't really care about the attack. Sure it's sad people died and my condolences go out to the friends and family of those it affected, but so much more s*** happens in other countries and no one really bats an eye like this unless it's a western country. Now people on social media are having a huff about it. Bloody western media |
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| + Pelador | Nov 14 2015, 03:32 PM Post #44 |
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The difference is that our countries are supposed to be safer and for the most part they are, despite what governments and media will tell you. But yes, can you imagine if a group like Boko Harem existed in England? They'd never shut up about it. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Nov 14 2015, 03:34 PM Post #45 |
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Better for them to care about one incident than not care about any at all, though I understand your position. Does anyone know what really happened with that passport that was found next to the body of a suicide bomber? I can only assume that the bomb didn't actually go off, but the news has been so vague about things that it's quite unclear. |
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