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Buuhan, Goku, and Gogeta; (Name Change upon request)
Topic Started: Nov 11 2015, 03:32 AM (590 Views)
+ Ssj3vegito96 Nov 11 2015, 03:32 AM Post #1
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 Can a mod change the title to something like "buuhan, goku, and gogeta"?

I need someone to clear some things up.

Buuhan knows that the individuals getting a little stronger can make the fusion a lot stronger. So why does he think gogeta won't be that much stronger than gotenks? Doesnt make sense

Maybe you'll say that fusion increase is all plot and it's random. Well... That makes it even weirder. How is he supposed to know then?

It just seems like he's being overconfident when he says even if they were to fuse they couldn't beat him. He has only gotenks to base his prediction on and going by him, gogeta should be destroy buuhan

On to goku now. He tells vegeta when he's trying to get him to put the potara earring on that its the only way to beat him. I don't think this is proof gogeta can't beat buuhan. Since fusion is much stronger when the individuals are a little stronger, gogeta should be really strong. Or maybe it is a random boost and goku didn't want to risk fusing and not being strong enough. So I think he was just telling vegeta this because he either didn't know what exactly to expect from gogeta or he was just trying to get vegeta to just put the dam earring on and knew gogeta would actually be enough. Or maybe it was both, that he wanted him to just put the earring on and he didn't know if gogeta would be enough. That just means gogeta's power is unknown and the most we know is that vegito is stronger only because potara is stated to be stronger
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EMIYA Nov 11 2015, 05:14 AM Post #2
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 Nothing says Boohan thinks this but, unlike Gogeta, Gotenks is a character who has been practicing fusion their entire time, training and pushing the limits of Gotenks in the ROSAT to the point where in literally 15 or so days, they skipped right passed SSJ2 and went straight to SSJ3. Goku and Vegeta have never fused in their life, there's no reason for them to have a bigger boost than Gotenks.

Heck, considering Gotenks surpassed his base form after the ROSAT, unless you have either a low SSJ amp or a pretty large gap between Goku/Vegeta and the kids to begin with (which I suppose either one isn't exactly impossible) it's going to be difficult to have Gotenks weaker than Gogeta...but statements imply otherwise on this point.

If fusion was random, Goku wouldn't be so certain about Gotenks or his fusion with Gohan.
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+ Ssj3vegito96 Nov 11 2015, 05:24 AM Post #3
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 So even though small gains in the individuals means huge gains for the fusion, the gap between goku and vegeta and goten and trunks is so small that the gap between gogeta and gotenks is still relatively small? Is that what you're saying? I think I could agree with that

Could you talk about what you mean when you say it's possible goku and vegeta are still a decent amount stronger than the kids?
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EMIYA Nov 11 2015, 05:44 AM Post #4
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 Put it this way, Goten was at the point where Gohan feared that if he wasn't careful, he would be surpassed. Now I still have a pretty decent gap between Gohan and Goten, but its clear from the narrative that Goten's slowly but surely closing in. Now take that and what do you have the gap between say Goku and Gohan like? Now again I have a pretty distinctive gap between them, probably more than Gohan and Goten.

But I doubt anyone is having say a 2-3x gap between any of them though this isn't necessarily impossible. Then you add in the fact that Gotenks has gotten even stronger since the ROSAT and the gap between Gogeta and Gotenks, by all definitions, should have gotten smaller.

I'm personally under the impression that Toriyama never gave this consideration. He's under the impression probably that, hey...Goku and Vegeta are stronger so Gogeta by definition must be stronger.

numbers are rather arbitrary. I can as easily make the gaps between the adults and kids relatively large as much as I could make them relatively small and there's not much in really changing that. Really considering I have a decent gap between the kids and Gohan and an even larger one between Gohan and the adults, I'd end up with again...relatively notable gap between the kids and adult to begin with.

But even if I did, I'd still have to use a relatively small SSJ amp to make sure Post-ROSAT Gotenks still remained weaker.
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+ Ssj3vegito96 Nov 11 2015, 03:36 PM Post #5
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 Here's what I'm getting from what you're saying.

You could say goku and vegeta are still a decent amount stronger than goten and trunks, but that would screw with buuhan saying that gogeta wouldn't be enough to beat him. And we know we can trust buu because of his knowledge and fusion not being a random boost

So now we're left with the conclusion that since gogeta isn't that much stronger than gotenks according to buuhan, goten and trunks post rosat are extremely close to their dads

That part I understand

But you're also saying it's still possible to make goku and vegeta considerably stronger than goten and trunks. How is that possible? I don't understand how that can be okay when buuhan implies that's not the case
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Jeff Styles Nov 11 2015, 09:57 PM Post #6
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Goku should know what to expected from a Metamoran fusion.He predict SSJ Gotenks to beats Fat Boo and he was right!
I have Goten and Trunks(post ROSAT) at least 60% to 70% of Goku and Majin Vegeta.

SSJ3 Gotenks and Evil Boo were equal.Ultimate Gohan was destroying Boo.Punches and kicks that would cripple him if he wasn't made of flesh and bones.1.33 to 1.50 gap could works.

SSJ3 Gotenks:1
Evil Boo:1
Ultimate Gohan:1.50
SSJ3 Gogeta:1.66

The only Boo, Gogeta was predict to beats was Evil Boo.
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Dankness Lava Nov 13 2015, 06:07 AM Post #7
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Dankness Forever

 How I see it, its when the same two fighters get stronger that causes the fusion to increase significantly. In other words, Goku and Vegeta in comparison to Goten and Trunks have no relation to Gogeta in comparison to Gotenks.
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