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Gotenks and goku
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+ Clearin	Nov 3 2015, 05:50 PM Post #16
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Pyrus Nov 3 2015, 05:48 PM Raiken Nov 3 2015, 02:51 PM Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks >>>>>> SSJ3 Goku = MSSJ Gotenks "Post" > MSSJ Gotenks "Pre" = SSJ2 Gohan "Post Z-Sword" >>> SSJ2 Goku How does that work out? Goku doubted Gohan's chances against Boo, but was perfectly confident in Gotenks' chances to beat the same Boo. They can't be equal unless you have Gohan stronger than Boo as well. Goku wasn't doubting Gohan's power, he was doubting if Gohan could beat Boo without f*ing up again Edited by Clearin**, Nov 5 2015, 01:00 AM.



Raiken	Nov 3 2015, 06:08 PM Post #17
Posts: 454 Group: Member Member #7,460 Joined: March 20, 2012 Favourite Anime Naruto Shippuden What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Naruto	Maybe it's more like: Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks >>>>>> MSSJ Gotenks "Post" > SSJ3 Goku = MSSJ Gotenks "Pre" > SSJ2 Gohan "Post Z-Sword" >>> SSJ2 Goku I don't believe MSSJ Gotenks "Pre" is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, equal at most. Goku believed he could beat Fat Buu, same as Gotenks. Which is why SSJ3 Goku = MSSJ Gotenks "Pre". Edited by Raiken, Nov 3 2015, 06:10 PM.



+ Pyrus	Nov 4 2015, 12:45 AM Post #18
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Raiken Nov 3 2015, 06:08 PM Maybe it's more like: Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks >>>>>> MSSJ Gotenks "Post" > SSJ3 Goku = MSSJ Gotenks "Pre" > SSJ2 Gohan "Post Z-Sword" >>> SSJ2 Goku I don't believe MSSJ Gotenks "Pre" is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, equal at most. Goku believed he could beat Fat Buu, same as Gotenks. Which is why SSJ3 Goku = MSSJ Gotenks "Pre". It doesn't really negate the time Goku said Gotenks would be the stronger of them.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Nov 4 2015, 10:37 PM Post #19
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	How do these numbers look? Gotenks 1 Ssj3 goku 4 Ssj gotenks 5 Base gotenks post 20(?) Ssj gotenks 100 Ssj3 gotenks 800 Ssj goku EOZ 200 Ssj2 goku 400 Ssj3 goku 1600 I give gotenks a ssj multiplier of 5x because again with piccolo questioning his speed it doesn't make sense for him to be that much stronger than ssj3 goku. I'm going with fusion dance for whatever reason lowering the multiplier. Anyway, base gotenks post rosat is where it's getting tricky. How much stronger than his pre rosat ssj form is he? 4x sound okay or is that too much? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Nov 4 2015, 10:42 PM.
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EMIYA	Nov 5 2015, 01:00 AM Post #20
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	I don't think it matters what your amps are as long as they're consistent. If you want a 3-5x SSj amp, go right a head. But when you literally have Goku saying that someone stronger than him would arrive, why are you people questioning it? Mind you, Piccolo was already the impression that Goku was holding back and Goku's impression was that Boo was just so much of a monster it wouldn't have mattered. At this point, Piccolo's already under the impression that Majin Boo is just as, if not stronger than a Goku even if he had been going serious. Piccolo's reaction to Gotenks being weaker than a guy that he's expressed to be weaker than Majin Boo would lead to less to a "you're pretty strong, lets test out your speed" and more along the lines of "HOLY JESUS F. KAMI! GET IN THE ROSAT NOW BOY!"



FutureProtagonist	Nov 5 2015, 01:08 AM Post #21
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EMIYA	Nov 5 2015, 01:52 AM Post #22
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Not since the Base Gotenks vs Pre SSJ Gotenks debate have I seen such blatant hypocrisy for a topic. Goku tells Gohan he can beat Cell if he goes all out and you people gladly take that without a single bit of question. Goku thinks fusion can beat Bootenks and we can't argue that can we? That potentially puts Gogeta above Boo and we can't argue against that strawberry slushie. But Goku saying that Gotenks will be stronger than him? Well seriously what the hell does Goku know?



+ Ssj3vegito96	Nov 5 2015, 04:29 AM Post #23
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	I'm not questioning goku saying gotenks will be stronger than him. I'm saying because piccolo questioned gotenks's speed, he can't be that much stronger than goku can he? And because pre rosat gotenks is ssj2 l
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+ Solid Snake	Nov 5 2015, 04:36 AM Post #24
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Ssj3vegito96 Nov 5 2015, 04:29 AM I'm not questioning goku saying gotenks will be stronger than him. I'm saying because piccolo questioned gotenks's speed, he can't be that much stronger than goku can he? And because pre rosat gotenks is ssj2 l I don't have Gotenks that much stronger tbh. And I never understood him wanting to test his speed. If his power is anything to go off of, he should've had no need to check his speed. The Super Saiyan transformation is pretty much straightforward; increases all physical attributes and grants a large pool of (somewhat different) ki. *referring to when Gohan felt Future Trunks' ki during his brief battle with Mexh Frieza.
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EMIYA	Nov 5 2015, 05:54 AM Post #25
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	The gap itself isn't the problem. I don't care too much of the gap to be honest. But its when people adamantly refuse a direct line, from Goku...about himself basically, that my patience wears itself down a very thin, quite easily breakable line. It's like talking to someone saying capital of North Carolina is Raleigh and the other guys like...no it isn't. And so you're like...yes it is. So you get a map and show them the capital of NC of the USA, get a dictionary and show them the answer and I'm from the f***ing State so I'd know and they're just like... no it isn't. and they're are honestly people here who still think SSJ3 Goku is stronger. Think he's stronger than Post Gotenks, or hell even SSj3 Gotenks and it's kind of hard to debate people will straight up ignore fact.



+ Pyrus	Nov 5 2015, 07:20 AM Post #26
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Solid Snake Nov 5 2015, 04:36 AM Ssj3vegito96 Nov 5 2015, 04:29 AM I'm not questioning goku saying gotenks will be stronger than him. I'm saying because piccolo questioned gotenks's speed, he can't be that much stronger than goku can he? And because pre rosat gotenks is ssj2 l I don't have Gotenks that much stronger tbh. And I never understood him wanting to test his speed. If his power is anything to go off of, he should've had no need to check his speed. The Super Saiyan transformation is pretty much straightforward; increases all physical attributes and grants a large pool of (somewhat different) ki. *referring to when Gohan felt Future Trunks' ki during his brief battle with Mexh Frieza. You'd question a new concept as well.
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Delicieuxz	Nov 5 2015, 07:41 PM Post #27
Posts: 79 Group: Member Member #12,034 Joined: January 29, 2015	Dark Matter Nov 3 2015, 01:10 AM Considering Toriyama originally thought the SSJ amp should be 10x against Freeza (we know why that's foolish) I doubt anywhere in Toriyama's mind he was thinking of numbers or the specific gap between Gotenks and Goku. What are you thinking makes it foolish? I know the numbers wouldn't add up (after recovering from fighting Cptn Ginyu, Goku might be above a power level 300,000, so x10 would make him more than 2x as strong as Frieza), but is there another reason you're thinking of?



EMIYA	Nov 5 2015, 07:47 PM Post #28
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Delicieuxz Nov 5 2015, 07:41 PM Dark Matter Nov 3 2015, 01:10 AM Considering Toriyama originally thought the SSJ amp should be 10x against Freeza (we know why that's foolish) I doubt anywhere in Toriyama's mind he was thinking of numbers or the specific gap between Gotenks and Goku. What are you thinking makes it foolish? I know the numbers wouldn't add up (after recovering from fighting Cptn Ginyu, Goku might be above a power level 300,000, so x10 would make him more than 2x as strong as Frieza), but is there another reason you're thinking of? No, its the whole Goku vs Freeza part. Goku's Kaioken X20 KHH didn't do jack nothing beyond some superficial damage to 50% Freeza but was under some impression that the increase for SSJ would be 10x until his editor told him that this was kind of a problem to have Goku be weaker than a form that was already vastly inferior to Freeza. Quote: ...Only, at the time, it was considered that his strength would increase 50-fold when he became a Super Saiyan, but that was a bit of an exaggeration. My feeling as the creator is that, while drawing it, I felt that it was about a 10-fold change from what it was up to that point. http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/seg-story-volume-truth-about-dragon-ball/ It basically showed that, Toriyama never intended the SSJ amp to be as big as it got during the Freeza Arc.



+ Solid Snake	Nov 5 2015, 07:51 PM Post #29
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Pyrus Nov 5 2015, 07:20 AM Solid Snake Nov 5 2015, 04:36 AM Ssj3vegito96 Nov 5 2015, 04:29 AM I'm not questioning goku saying gotenks will be stronger than him. I'm saying because piccolo questioned gotenks's speed, he can't be that much stronger than goku can he? And because pre rosat gotenks is ssj2 l I don't have Gotenks that much stronger tbh. And I never understood him wanting to test his speed. If his power is anything to go off of, he should've had no need to check his speed. The Super Saiyan transformation is pretty much straightforward; increases all physical attributes and grants a large pool of (somewhat different) ki. *referring to when Gohan felt Future Trunks' ki during his brief battle with Mexh Frieza. You'd question a new concept as well. And that would be?
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+ Pyrus	Nov 5 2015, 08:24 PM Post #30
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Solid Snake Nov 5 2015, 07:51 PM Pyrus Nov 5 2015, 07:20 AM Solid Snake Nov 5 2015, 04:36 AM Ssj3vegito96 Nov 5 2015, 04:29 AM I'm not questioning goku saying gotenks will be stronger than him. I'm saying because piccolo questioned gotenks's speed, he can't be that much stronger than goku can he? And because pre rosat gotenks is ssj2 l I don't have Gotenks that much stronger tbh. And I never understood him wanting to test his speed. If his power is anything to go off of, he should've had no need to check his speed. The Super Saiyan transformation is pretty much straightforward; increases all physical attributes and grants a large pool of (somewhat different) ki. *referring to when Gohan felt Future Trunks' ki during his brief battle with Mexh Frieza. You'd question a new concept as well. And that would be? "Even though it looks like they've done this correctly, I've already seen two failed versions of this, so I better check things out just to be sure..."
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