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Real Earth vs Dragon ball earth
Topic Started: Oct 28 2015, 06:54 PM (2,077 Views)
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The armies of all the countries of our world vs dragon ball army + red ribbon army. People such as Z-warriors etc don't fight with the army,only standard soldiers. I know you might think dragon world would stomp our armies since they are more technologically advanced,but keep in mind the ribbon army and the king fury's army didn't show weapons much more powerful the ours. So who wins?
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Implying king piccolo just doesn't kill them when he sees them

No plane is getting close to dropping a bomb on Piccolo Red ribbon army would see it miles away and tell Piccolo to just shoot it down
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Tao was only hurt that bad from a grenade because he was worn out and it caught him off guard.
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King Kakarot
Oct 29 2015, 01:12 AM
Implying king piccolo just doesn't kill them when he sees them

No plane is getting close to dropping a bomb on Piccolo Red ribbon army would see it miles away and tell Piccolo to just shoot it down
Aside from the whole issue of the RR army telling Piccolo to do something :rofl:
Is Piccolo on the offence or the defense? If it's the defense the countries of planet Earth can poison the drinking water, if not the army can just drop some bombs on wherever the RRarmy has gathered all their intelligence, and whatever other bases (and they do, otherwise Goku wouldn't have made the impact he did upon them). There isn't a version (with in character Piccolo) of the war where he wins. He was not some efficient killing machine, he was a demon king out to scare humanity, and takes his sweet time doing whatever he wants. Unless you can explain to me what Piccolo's answer is to biological weaponry, I don't see how he wins. It's simply not in his nature to win a battle- no, conflict like this in an efficient manner like that.

Dragon ball wins once planet busters enter the fray, until then (maybe a little before then?) they won't simply because they don't fight like they need to against countries, they fight individuals, or at best (relatively) small groups.

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Tao was only hurt that bad from a grenade because he was worn out and it caught him off guard.

and the z-fighters got tired fighting Freeza's mooks. I doubt Tao will make it.
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I'm assuming this is a total war scenario where rules of conduct like the Geneva Conventions and other humanitarian executions of war have been discarded. In which case, all of the aforementioned armaments such as indiscriminate attacks, the usage of high calibre weaponry/ammunition against personnel, chemical warfare, incendiary rounds, and obviously nukes are available.

Well your normal RRA soldier from DB looks to be wearing far less in terms of equipment or protective garments like Kevlar than the standard soldier from any competent military in the real world. Toriyama probably doesn't have a very good understanding of the exact tools and resources available to real life militaries. If he did, then he should know that many of your standard issue small arms come with electronic scopes, night vision, thermal imaging, various calibres of ammunition that would be considered too dangerous for widescale usage under different conditions. Or how about the various tanks and aircraft available that make the RRA's look like toys by comparison? What Toriyama designs as firearms in his manga amounts to nondescript popularised weapons that can probably be described as "pistol, sniper rifle, assault rifle, machine gun" with no regards to the exact calibre, quality of the weapon, and ammunition involved.

Seriously, look up the firing capacity and damage output of a Barrett M82 rifle with high explosive .50 calibre ammunition. There's a reason why it's classified as an anti-material rifle. It's capable of piercing lightly armoured tanks and helicopters. I can almost assure you that if Goku had taken such a round head on while assaulting the RRA base, it would have been a very gruesome end for him. Roshi would have probably had his hand and arm taken off too if he tried snatching a round like that while his island was being attacked.

Then you've got the various other tools at the real world's disposal like ICBMs, predator drones, heat seeking missiles, chemical weaponry, ect. There's certain kinds of hallucinogenic agents that would induce disorientation of the senses, slurred speech, secretional drying, and of course hallucinations like 3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate. If you want to push it even further, there's also white phosphorus that can cause serious burns and damage to internal organs. Can Namekians even regenerate from failure or deterioration of the internal organs? I'd like to see what King Piccolo's reaction would be after being completely coated in it.

I won't deny that the RRA does have a few advantages of its own though like the metal suit used by Staff Officer Black which contained a missile with enough energy output to devastate the top of a mountain. Granted, I'm not familiar with all the different kinds of nuclear devices that the real world has. There might be some that are powerful enough to have a similar effect.
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Oct 29 2015, 01:15 AM
Tao was only hurt that bad from a grenade because he was worn out and it caught him off guard.
And you're assuming he can annihilate this army without getting worn down? He's not going to be on-guard when multiple grenades are thrown at him.

As for King Piccolo scaring them, what? Do you think they're going to get scared and give up when they witness what he can do? Even in the Saiyan Saga, fighters were susceptible to corrosive materials (a la Tenshinhan against the Saibaman), so that, along with radiation, would easily take out King Piccolo and Tao.
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Z fighters never once actually showed any signs of fatigue vs Freeza's soildiers

They simply took the beans because it was Plot

Jaco even refused

So the fatigue argument doesn't hold up

Edit: Except Roshi
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Oct 29 2015, 01:23 AM
Z fighters never once actually showed any signs of fatigue vs Freeza's soildiers

They simply took the beans because it was Plot

Jaco even refused

So the fatigue argument doesn't hold up
Semantics, my friend. 'Plot' is all well and good, but plot said that they were worn down enough to take Senzu beans, so they were worn down enough to take Senzu beans.
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Although they didn't need the beans not like RoF is a masterpiece
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Oct 29 2015, 01:22 AM
I'm assuming this is a total war scenario where rules of conduct like the Geneva Conventions and other humanitarian executions of war have been discarded. In which case, all of the aforementioned armaments such as indiscriminate attacks, the usage of high calibre weaponry/ammunition against personnel, chemical warfare, incendiary rounds, and obviously nukes are available.

Well your normal RRA soldier from DB looks to be wearing far less in terms of equipment or protective garments like Kevlar than the standard soldier from any competent military in the real world. Toriyama probably doesn't have a very good understanding of the exact tools and resources available to real life militaries. If he did, then he should know that many of your standard issue small arms come with electronic scopes, night vision, thermal imaging, various calibres of ammunition that would be considered too dangerous for widescale usage under different conditions. Or how about the various tanks and aircraft available that make the RRA's look like toys by comparison? What Toriyama designs as firearms in his manga amounts to nondescript popularised weapons that can probably be described as "pistol, sniper rifle, assault rifle, machine gun" with no regards to the exact calibre, quality of the weapon, and ammunition involved.

Seriously, look up the firing capacity and damage output of a Barrett M82 rifle with high explosive .50 calibre ammunition. There's a reason why it's classified as an anti-material rifle. It's capable of piercing lightly armoured tanks and helicopters. I can almost assure you that if Goku had taken such a round head on while assaulting the RRA base, it would have been a very gruesome end for him. Roshi would have probably had his hand and arm taken off too if he tried snatching a round like that while his island was being attacked.

Then you've got the various other tools at the real world's disposal like ICBMs, predator drones, heat seeking missiles, chemical weaponry, ect. There's certain kinds of hallucinogenic agents that would induce disorientation of the senses, slurred speech, secretional drying, and of course hallucinations like 3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate. If you want to push it even further, there's also white phosphorus that can cause serious burns and damage to internal organs. Can Namekians even regenerate from failure or deterioration of the internal organs? I'd like to see what King Piccolo's reaction would be after being completely coated in it.

I won't deny that the RRA does have a few advantages of its own though like the metal suit used by Staff Officer Black which contained a missile with enough energy output to devastate the top of a mountain. Granted, I'm not familiar with all the different kinds of nuclear devices that the real world has. There might be some that are powerful enough to have a similar effect.
Early Namekians cannot regenerate internal damage.

We see this when Piccolo dies from Nappa's blast despite no external wounds, when the Namekian warrior gets his ribs smashed by Dodoria, and when Dodoria breaks Moori's neck. It's not until the Cell Saga that internal Namekian wounds get healed
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Oct 29 2015, 01:27 AM
Although they didn't need the beans not like RoF is a masterpiece
Right, so if I said that Goku was lying about being fatigued enough to need a Senzu Bean after travelling down Snake Way and only took one for plot purposes, would you agree with me?
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Oct 29 2015, 01:32 AM
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Although they didn't need the beans not like RoF is a masterpiece
Right, so if I said that Goku was lying about being fatigued enough to need a Senzu Bean after travelling down Snake Way and only took one for plot purposes, would you agree with me?
The difference is Goku was visibly fatigued

Piccolo,Gohan krillin and Jaco weren't visibly tired besides RoF hasn't happened in super yet so scenes may be changed
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bad writing still means it's happened, like how bad writing results in Beerus being a schizo who's fighting abilities are on par with Nappa.

Maybe this'll change in Super, but until then (and this thread will likely be long forgotten by then) yeah, real world armies stomp the RR army, Tao is dying no matter what, and KP likely dies to something he doesn't even understand.
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Oct 29 2015, 01:35 AM
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Oct 29 2015, 01:27 AM
Although they didn't need the beans not like RoF is a masterpiece
Right, so if I said that Goku was lying about being fatigued enough to need a Senzu Bean after travelling down Snake Way and only took one for plot purposes, would you agree with me?
The difference is Goku was visibly fatigued

Piccolo,Gohan krillin and Jaco weren't visibly tired besides RoF hasn't happened in super yet so scenes may be changed
You don't have to be visibly fatigued for your ki to be low.

When you start making characters look like complete dumbasses just to support your point of view, you start losing credibility.
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they have made the Z warriors weaker then. i don't believe any man made weapon is going to hurt a warrior with a PL around 100, that is on guard. yeah Tenshinhan dodged the acid, why take a attack just to waste ki?
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Implying Tao can't blitz any human before they can think

King Piccolo throws a couple city lvl attacks and picks off the army like fish in a barrel

Edit: how am I making characters look like dumb assess for my view?

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