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How do congress and the presidency function exactly? (USA)
Topic Started: Oct 27 2015, 02:29 PM (610 Views)
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A Facebook friend of mine posted this recently, and I'm sad to say I don't exactly know the answer to her question, which is why I'm making this thread. Educate me, guys! Or post links. Links are great too.

"So question. If Bernie wins the election, can he actually do what he's wanting to do as far as democratic socialism? I'll be honest and say my knowledge on how the system works isn't the greatest but doesn't everything he wants to do have to go through other people first to get passed? And no offense to anyone but please only respond if actually know what you are talking about..."
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The President cannot write bills. He can propose a bill, but a member of Congress must submit it for him. A bill is proposed by either the Senate or the House of Representatives. Both of these bodies must then agree on the bill. Then the President has to approve it. If the President vetoes the bill then 2/3rds of Congress can vote to veto the veto. But this usually doesn't happen.


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pretty much what pelador said. the three branches of government exist to prevent any one branch from becoming too powerful, which is why a liberal president and conservative-majority congress, for example, takes forever to do anything because each of them will impede the progress of the other. if both branches are of the same mind then things (theoretically, anyway) would flow smoothly. to be honest i don't really know what the judicial branch does other than examine the laws and judge whether they're constitutional
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America isn't ready for socialism yet. Even if he wins (longshot) the Congress won't sync with anything he wants.

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Oct 27 2015, 02:29 PM
"So question. If Bernie wins the election, can he actually do what he's wanting to do as far as democratic socialism?
Short answer, no. He won't be able to do everything. Like Pelador said, he can only really sign bills into law and persuade congress. He will be able to direct lobbyists for his cause to persuade congress to push for new bills just like Obama did with the healthcare system. President also elects supreme court justice and his cabinet to help run the diplomatic stuff.

And that's the issue with our elections. People spend 95% of the time focusing on the presidential election while you have s***-stains like Ted Cruz sitting in congress. It has become a f***ing popularity contest hosted by MTV and it's sickening.
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Are U.S. citizens allowed to vote for members of congress? Or is the presidential election the only time they get to vote?
If it's the latter the U.S. could barely be considered a democracy
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Oct 28 2015, 09:15 AM
Are U.S. citizens allowed to vote for members of congress? Or is the presidential election the only time they get to vote?
If it's the latter the U.S. could barely be considered a democracy
You only get to vote for your state house and senate reps. Voting for either happens every two years. Which is why I specifically get to dog Ted Cruz because Texas elected him and I didn't vote for him.

That means there is a lot of, "What was Arizona thinking! How could you elect that thief! Arizona sucks!" going on.
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use google or whatever search engine, look into free masons, builder burg and rothschild.
like what George Carlin said,

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None of that has anything to do with how legislation is passed.


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Oct 29 2015, 12:18 AM
use google or whatever search engine, look into free masons, builder burg and rothschild.
like what George Carlin said,

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If such a conspiracy existed, then they deserve to run the country because of how impeccable their management is. So impeccable that none of their employees have ever squealed, so impeccable that no one believes in them.
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Are U.S. citizens allowed to vote for members of congress? Or is the presidential election the only time they get to vote?
If it's the latter the U.S. could barely be considered a democracy
Congress: Voted in by the People. Makes bills to be turned into Laws. Same with Senators (who are part of congress).
President: Voted in by the People. Head of the Military, and signs bills that are then turned into Laws
Supreme Court: Appointed based on education in Law. Regulates Laws that have been signed in by the President and can either deem them as constitutional or unconstitutional.

Only on rare occasions is the President allowed to write an Executive Order, which allows him to make a law without consulting Congress and waiting for democracy.
However, Executive Orders can be deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, just like any other law that's been signed in.
If the president abuses his Executive powers (or does anything that is considered unconstitutional), he can be impeached by Congress. The Supreme Court then decides if Congress has the grounds to impeach the president.

So in essence, the President and Congress fight over the Bills that get passed, but the Supreme Court are the ones who have the true final say.

The president also is the only one who can formally declare war, but Congress must come to a majority vote of "Yes" in order for the president to declare it.

Our most recent Supreme Court Ruling was that gay marriage is legal in all 50 states. The issue was that some states wouldn't recognize some gays as being married, while others would. Most of the objection to this was due to religious reasons. Some states are much more religious than others, and still continually fail to separate religious accommodation of the majority from legislation. In other words, a lot of states consider Christian belief as more important than other religions or lifestyles, and laws are often made to accommodate that discrimination against people who don't conform to that belief.
The First Amendment of the US Constitution states that the government can't establish a single religion as a "true religion", and can't make laws to accommodate or prioritize any one religion; or can't make laws against another religion.

So to put this into perspective, there's plenty of courthouses with monuments of the Ten Commandments on their lawns, and that's considered unconstitutional because it's promoting one religion as priority.

I'm sorry, I went off on a tangent.

But... President, Congress, and the Supreme Court have equal power... they just don't have the same powers.
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So basically everyone blames the president for everything that they don't agree with, but it usually isn't the president's fault at all? I've always known that people who make these sort of claims were wrong, but I've never known how to rebut them. My high school government classes were extremely lacking.
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Oct 29 2015, 01:38 PM
So basically everyone blames the president for everything that they don't agree with, but it usually isn't the president's fault at all? I've always known that people who make these sort of claims were wrong, but I've never known how to rebut them. My high school government classes were extremely lacking.
That's more correct than you know.
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Oct 29 2015, 01:38 PM
So basically everyone blames the president for everything that they don't agree with, but it usually isn't the president's fault at all? I've always known that people who make these sort of claims were wrong, but I've never known how to rebut them. My high school government classes were extremely lacking.
That's basically correct.

However, people also don't realize that a candidate who is going for the Presidency may make a lot of promises that he can't keep once he becomes president.
After he's elected, to the time of his inauguration, he is given an "in a nutshell" version of top secret information, and that can sometimes change his plan. We as the people don't know what this information is, so we just perceive it as him breaking promises he made during his campaign to become president.
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