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God Tiers lifting strength?
Topic Started: Oct 10 2015, 10:11 AM (1,687 Views)
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He'd have to be darn strong if his punches can threaten the universe.
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We don't have any feats whatsoever yet but I'd imagine they have some crazy strength now. I expect mountain or building level at the very least
I think City level is easy considering how SSJ4 Goku could come close to it.
What does SSJ4 Goku have to do with anything? Not only is he non-canon, but the only proof in favor of Goku being stronger in Super is those damn universe shockwaves that will probably never be mentioned again and are being written out within a single episode
Since SSJG Goku is obviously far superior to SSJ4 Goku it makes sense. And no it's not the on,y proof:

-Universal shockwaves.
-Beerus nullifying Universal attack.
-Beerus and Whis traveling through galaxies (MMMFTL++)
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And then when they fight at 100%, the shockwaves mysteriously stop happening despite neither using any techniques to dispel them.

Whis's flight isn't relevant(we know speed and power aren't the same thing), but even if it was, he uses his staff for it
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And then when they fight at 100%, the shockwaves mysteriously stop happening despite neither using any techniques to dispel them.

Whis's flight isn't relevant(we know speed and power aren't the same thing), but even if it was, he uses his staff for it
We are given a poor explanation, perhaps they concentrate there attacks now. And in any case the shockwaves did happen and would have destroyed the universe, it already crushed planets and made stars go supernova which alone puts them hilariously above GT tier.

It is relevant cause Beerus is barely slower than Whis's staff, check episode 2. They are millions of times FTL.
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If Beerus is barely slower than Whis' staff, does that mean that he's faster than Whis himself?
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You could fit Whis in between there respective speed's.
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And then when they fight at 100%, the shockwaves mysteriously stop happening despite neither using any techniques to dispel them.

Whis's flight isn't relevant(we know speed and power aren't the same thing), but even if it was, he uses his staff for it
We are given a poor explanation, perhaps they concentrate there attacks now. And in any case the shockwaves did happen and would have destroyed the universe, it already crushed planets and made stars go supernova which alone puts them hilariously above GT tier.

It is relevant cause Beerus is barely slower than Whis's staff, check episode 2. They are millions of times FTL.
Why weren't they concentrating their attacks before? They're fighting each other, not the universe. Also, hollowing the universe=/=destroying it.

Take a bag of fruit. What they were doing was smashing all of the fruit inside of the bag. Universe destroying would be ripping the entire thing apart, bag and all
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They would destroy everything in the universe plus the otherworld and Kaioshin realm it's still impressive as f***. Who knows, we just got a poor explanation that it's a fight, perhaps that means they concentrate the attacks on single points or something we don't know. And no matter how we see it the shockwaves did happen that's a fact.
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We see them happening, but they're still BS and contradicted by everything else.

This should go in the same bucket as Spider-Man punching out Firelord or Superman holding infinity
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You could fit Whis in between there respective speed's.
So you think that Whis' Staff > Whis > Beerus speed-wise?

What would be the point of using the staff if Whis is pretty much just as fast as the staff?
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Whis in episode 3 said he's the fastest flyer in the universe he doesn't necessarily need his staff to get around

Also I'm pretty sure Freeza had a lazy chair which I doubt he needed

Edit: Beerus and Goku were just concentrating thier punchest but if you don't buy that the narrator himself said Beerus and Goku were fighting with enough power to destroy the universe

This isn't really up for debate
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We don't have any feats whatsoever yet but I'd imagine they have some crazy strength now. I expect mountain or building level at the very least
I think City level is easy considering how SSJ4 Goku could come close to it.
What does SSJ4 Goku have to do with anything? Not only is he non-canon, but the only proof in favor of Goku being stronger in Super is those damn universe shockwaves that will probably never be mentioned again and are being written out within a single episode
What about Superman? Guy sneezed away a solar system like one time yet it's used in debates constantly.
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We don't have any feats whatsoever yet but I'd imagine they have some crazy strength now. I expect mountain or building level at the very least
I think City level is easy considering how SSJ4 Goku could come close to it.
What does SSJ4 Goku have to do with anything? Not only is he non-canon, but the only proof in favor of Goku being stronger in Super is those damn universe shockwaves that will probably never be mentioned again and are being written out within a single episode
What about Superman? Guy sneezed away a solar system like one time yet it's used in debates constantly.
Pre-Crisis was full of incosistent BS, the solar system thing is just the most definite example. He could also travel through time, hypnotize people, telepathically mind control people, he can control his heart rate, he could shapeshift, etc.

It's not so much the solar system feat that people bring up, it's that Superman was abominably written and he could honestly take down Goku in a variety of other ways because he was a walking plot device with no consistency
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Oct 10 2015, 10:43 PM
Whis in episode 3 said he's the fastest flyer in the universe he doesn't necessarily need his staff to get around

Also I'm pretty sure Freeza had a lazy chair which I doubt he needed

Edit: Beerus and Goku were just concentrating thier punchest but if you don't buy that the narrator himself said Beerus and Goku were fighting with enough power to destroy the universe

This isn't really up for debate
If he doesn't need his staff to move around as fast as he did, what's the point of using it? Whis isn't lazy like Freeza.
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Oct 10 2015, 10:58 PM
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Oct 10 2015, 03:45 PM
We don't have any feats whatsoever yet but I'd imagine they have some crazy strength now. I expect mountain or building level at the very least
I think City level is easy considering how SSJ4 Goku could come close to it.
What does SSJ4 Goku have to do with anything? Not only is he non-canon, but the only proof in favor of Goku being stronger in Super is those damn universe shockwaves that will probably never be mentioned again and are being written out within a single episode
What about Superman? Guy sneezed away a solar system like one time yet it's used in debates constantly.
Pre-Crisis was full of incosistent BS, the solar system thing is just the most definite example. He could also travel through time, hypnotize people, telepathically mind control people, he can control his heart rate, he could shapeshift, etc.

It's not so much the solar system feat that people bring up, it's that Superman was abominably written and he could honestly take down Goku in a variety of other ways because he was a walking plot device with no consistency
That's not my point. Barring that, before I joined this forum whenever I went to others, the first thing they'd bring up is that he'll sneeze Goku out of existence when he hardly even done feats like that back to back.
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