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God Tiers lifting strength?
Topic Started: Oct 10 2015, 10:11 AM (1,688 Views)
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Oct 10 2015, 03:08 PM
Objects that are ten tons on King kai's planet are a mere one ton on Goku's planet.
They never mentioned Earth, so why would they be referring to Earth's gravity? Why not the gravity of the planet they're on at the moment? That's to where the objects are that's where Goku is lifting them. Pretty much the only thing I can imagine is Goku being stupid and not realizing that you need to add a zero on King Kai's planet, but then why would the South Kai go along with that? And btw, it doesn't look like he's lifting 40 tons he is lifting 40 tons. They'd be four on Earth yes, but that's why they're on King Kai's planet in the first place.

Like it comes down to this, do they have any reason to default to Earth weight instead of the planet they're on at the moment? They don't. Goku can lift 40 tons as a super saiyan. He can lift 40 tons on Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Alpha Centari, anywhere. If it was really 400 then king Kai would have said so.

And no, weight in general does not change, it's the weight of objects that change. Goku can lift more stuff on Earth, because Earth's stuff is lighter.
40 tons is the same no matter the planet you are on. What changes is which objects come out to 40 tons.
If you're on a planet where pencils weigh as much as dumbbells, then you can lift dumbbells on Earth, it does not mean you can lift cars.
Am I making any sense or am I terrible at explaining this?

In any case we don't know how much those things weigh, and size isn't a decent indicator of weight, see Dragon Ball.
He just said that they weigh 40 tons.
That's all, we don't really know other specifics.

Size is an indicator, Unless you're saying that when Piccolo turns into his giant form his weight would still remain the same.
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Oct 10 2015, 03:23 PM
tin man
Oct 10 2015, 03:08 PM
Objects that are ten tons on King kai's planet are a mere one ton on Goku's planet.
They never mentioned Earth, so why would they be referring to Earth's gravity? Why not the gravity of the planet they're on at the moment? That's to where the objects are that's where Goku is lifting them. Pretty much the only thing I can imagine is Goku being stupid and not realizing that you need to add a zero on King Kai's planet, but then why would the South Kai go along with that? And btw, it doesn't look like he's lifting 40 tons he is lifting 40 tons. They'd be four on Earth yes, but that's why they're on King Kai's planet in the first place.

Like it comes down to this, do they have any reason to default to Earth weight instead of the planet they're on at the moment? They don't. Goku can lift 40 tons as a super saiyan. He can lift 40 tons on Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Alpha Centari, anywhere. If it was really 400 then king Kai would have said so.

And no, weight in general does not change, it's the weight of objects that change. Goku can lift more stuff on Earth, because Earth's stuff is lighter.
40 tons is the same no matter the planet you are on. What changes is which objects come out to 40 tons.
If you're on a planet where pencils weigh as much as dumbbells, then you can lift dumbbells on Earth, it does not mean you can lift cars.
Am I making any sense or am I terrible at explaining this?

In any case we don't know how much those things weigh, and size isn't a decent indicator of weight, see Dragon Ball.
He just said that they weigh 40 tons.
That's all, we don't really know other specifics.

Size is an indicator, Unless you're saying that when Piccolo turns into his giant form his weight would still remain the same.
Piccolo's weight should remain the same, actually.

The form didn't make him any stronger really and he took hits like a chump in it
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Oct 10 2015, 03:08 PM
Objects that are ten tons on King kai's planet are a mere one ton on Goku's planet.
They never mentioned Earth, so why would they be referring to Earth's gravity? Why not the gravity of the planet they're on at the moment? That's to where the objects are that's where Goku is lifting them. Pretty much the only thing I can imagine is Goku being stupid and not realizing that you need to add a zero on King Kai's planet, but then why would the South Kai go along with that? And btw, it doesn't look like he's lifting 40 tons he is lifting 40 tons. They'd be four on Earth yes, but that's why they're on King Kai's planet in the first place.

Like it comes down to this, do they have any reason to default to Earth weight instead of the planet they're on at the moment? They don't. Goku can lift 40 tons as a super saiyan. He can lift 40 tons on Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Alpha Centari, anywhere. If it was really 400 then king Kai would have said so.

And no, weight in general does not change, it's the weight of objects that change. Goku can lift more stuff on Earth, because Earth's stuff is lighter.
40 tons is the same no matter the planet you are on. What changes is which objects come out to 40 tons.
If you're on a planet where pencils weigh as much as dumbbells, then you can lift dumbbells on Earth, it does not mean you can lift cars.
Am I making any sense or am I terrible at explaining this?

In any case we don't know how much those things weigh, and size isn't a decent indicator of weight, see Dragon Ball.
He just said that they weigh 40 tons.
That's all, we don't really know other specifics.
As I've said before, Mass doesn't change.
40 ton on king kai's planet, is the same as earth.

Also shouldn't it be the opposite ?
4 tons on king kai, should be 40 tons on earth ?
or am I wrong ?

Size is an indicator, Unless you're saying that when Piccolo turns into his giant form his weight would still remain the same.
Yes, and we don't, but I'd hardly call it an assumption to say they're referring to here and not some random planet.
Mass doesn't change, yes.
And no, 4 pound dumbbells (ones made on Earth) will be heavier on a planet with more gravity, as that creates more force going downwards. 4 pound dumbbells made on planet Vegeta will weigh a tenth of that on Earth.
And yes size can be an indicator, but it's unreliable, like I said, that giant rock Goku pushed for Roshi is less than 40 tons. Goku lifted 40 tons, that's far more likely than 400 because unless they're using an unknown third planet as an example, they're most likely using the local planet.

In this case, the simplest explanation is also correct.
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We don't have any feats whatsoever yet but I'd imagine they have some crazy strength now. I expect mountain or building level at the very least
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Oct 10 2015, 03:33 PM
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Oct 10 2015, 03:23 PM
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Oct 10 2015, 03:08 PM
Objects that are ten tons on King kai's planet are a mere one ton on Goku's planet.
They never mentioned Earth, so why would they be referring to Earth's gravity? Why not the gravity of the planet they're on at the moment? That's to where the objects are that's where Goku is lifting them. Pretty much the only thing I can imagine is Goku being stupid and not realizing that you need to add a zero on King Kai's planet, but then why would the South Kai go along with that? And btw, it doesn't look like he's lifting 40 tons he is lifting 40 tons. They'd be four on Earth yes, but that's why they're on King Kai's planet in the first place.

Like it comes down to this, do they have any reason to default to Earth weight instead of the planet they're on at the moment? They don't. Goku can lift 40 tons as a super saiyan. He can lift 40 tons on Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Alpha Centari, anywhere. If it was really 400 then king Kai would have said so.

And no, weight in general does not change, it's the weight of objects that change. Goku can lift more stuff on Earth, because Earth's stuff is lighter.
40 tons is the same no matter the planet you are on. What changes is which objects come out to 40 tons.
If you're on a planet where pencils weigh as much as dumbbells, then you can lift dumbbells on Earth, it does not mean you can lift cars.
Am I making any sense or am I terrible at explaining this?

In any case we don't know how much those things weigh, and size isn't a decent indicator of weight, see Dragon Ball.
He just said that they weigh 40 tons.
That's all, we don't really know other specifics.
As I've said before, Mass doesn't change.
40 ton on king kai's planet, is the same as earth.

Also shouldn't it be the opposite ?
4 tons on king kai, should be 40 tons on earth ?
or am I wrong ?

Size is an indicator, Unless you're saying that when Piccolo turns into his giant form his weight would still remain the same.
Yes, and we don't, but I'd hardly call it an assumption to say they're referring to here and not some random planet.
Mass doesn't change, yes.
And no, 4 pound dumbbells (ones made on Earth) will be heavier on a planet with more gravity, as that creates more force going downwards. 4 pound dumbbells made on planet Vegeta will weigh a tenth of that on Earth.
And yes size can be an indicator, but it's unreliable, like I said, that giant rock Goku pushed for Roshi is less than 40 tons. Goku lifted 40 tons, that's far more likely than 400 because unless they're using an unknown third planet as an example, they're most likely using the local planet.

In this case, the simplest explanation is also correct.
The problem is, does the place Goku was training in has 10x gravity of earth ?

But since they said nothing about it, they'd have to mean earth's gravity.

Goku can't struggle with 40 tons, or 4 for that matter.

He lifted way heavier back in Dragon Ball.
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I'm pretty sure it was stated that is 10x, if not King Kai then Vegeta, who's gravity is the same.
Why? Why are they mentioning some random planet? Why not the planet they're on right now? What possible reason could they have to refer to anything else?
Not anymore, his god form is now his base.
Evidently not.
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Oct 10 2015, 10:11 AM
We know in DBZ the characters lacked lifting strength quite a lot, Base Goku couldn't curl 40 tons attached to his limbs while in mid air. But the God tiers seem to be on a whole other category by themselves. How much do you think the current Super trio could lift at max?

-SSJG Goku
-Beerus
-Whis
-SSJGSSJ Goku/Vegeta (future characters)
-Golden Frieza (future character)
Bukujutsu nerfs lifting strength it says so in guidebooks
Goku could lift more than 40 tons in db
For these characters in incalculable
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Wow nobody is mentioning that it was more ki training than strength that was why he was in the air in the first place
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Oct 10 2015, 10:11 AM
We know in DBZ the characters lacked lifting strength quite a lot, Base Goku couldn't curl 40 tons attached to his limbs while in mid air. But the God tiers seem to be on a whole other category by themselves. How much do you think the current Super trio could lift at max?

-SSJG Goku
-Beerus
-Whis
-SSJGSSJ Goku/Vegeta (future characters)
-Golden Frieza (future character)
Bukujutsu nerfs lifting strength it says so in guidebooks
Goku could lift more than 40 tons in db
For these characters in incalculable
The flying shouldn't change the amount he can curl, and Goku could just barely curl the ten ton weights.
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Oct 10 2015, 04:17 PM
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Oct 10 2015, 04:01 PM
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Oct 10 2015, 10:11 AM
We know in DBZ the characters lacked lifting strength quite a lot, Base Goku couldn't curl 40 tons attached to his limbs while in mid air. But the God tiers seem to be on a whole other category by themselves. How much do you think the current Super trio could lift at max?

-SSJG Goku
-Beerus
-Whis
-SSJGSSJ Goku/Vegeta (future characters)
-Golden Frieza (future character)
Bukujutsu nerfs lifting strength it says so in guidebooks
Goku could lift more than 40 tons in db
For these characters in incalculable
The flying shouldn't change the amount he can curl, and Goku could just barely curl the ten ton weights.
It shouldn't but it did.
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Goky can lift more than 200 quintilion tons :p .
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We don't have any feats whatsoever yet but I'd imagine they have some crazy strength now. I expect mountain or building level at the very least
I think City level is easy considering how SSJ4 Goku could come close to it.
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Oct 10 2015, 04:38 PM
Goky can lift more than 200 quintilion tons :p .
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If I had to say, I guess Beerus could lift a continent based on the insanity of Super thus far.
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We don't have any feats whatsoever yet but I'd imagine they have some crazy strength now. I expect mountain or building level at the very least
I think City level is easy considering how SSJ4 Goku could come close to it.
What does SSJ4 Goku have to do with anything? Not only is he non-canon, but the only proof in favor of Goku being stronger in Super is those damn universe shockwaves that will probably never be mentioned again and are being written out within a single episode
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