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| Which version of Cell is Dabra equal to? | ||
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 12 2015, 02:40 PM Post #106 | |
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Unfazed? You mean him resorting to his stone spit and surprise attacks just to try and damage Gohan a little? That's the very opposite of unfazed. Dabura was quite clearly talking out his *** the entire time. He expected to take on Gohan, wear him down, damage him then kill him, then do the same to both Goku and Vegeta? He assumed he was stronger than all of them, but when Gohan proved otherwise, he lost his cool. If he was stronger, he would've used his full power to severely injure Gohan from the get-go. IIRC, Gohan didn't even try any serious ki techniques, so he would've fallen back on them when he got exhausted. He was trying hand-to-hand with Dabura because Dabura proved he was woefully inept in that aspect of fighting. |
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| + Solid Snake | Oct 12 2015, 02:42 PM Post #107 | |
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Notaka you brought up a good point regarding Babidi reading Super Saiyan Goku's Kiri level. Babidi is shocked that a "human" could generate 3,000. This may be a stretch but I think he would've said something to Dabura if Goku exceeded Dabura's level imo. I can't remember exactly but once he read the numbers for both Goku and Yakon, he pretty much knew his opposition was going to win. So I think he's adept at using the meter to determine possible outcomes. In regards to Dabura -- Vegeta: “Hmph…The way things are going, this ‘Majin Boo’ guy isn’t going to be anything special, is he? Just like that ‘Dabra’ jerk…[ ] I’m saying that this ‘Dabra’ guy doesn’t seem as bad as you two feared. Looking at his attacks and movement outside earlier, it seems that if we just watch out for his spit, then we should manage something. I can’t call Kibito anything but a bumbler for getting done-in like that…” Vegeta though isn't 100% stating out they'd win by themselves. He's including them all in the statement where they could possibly be able to beat him. And Dabura might've been crazy but he had every intention of fighting the 3 of them together knowing they could increase their Kiri level to at least 3,000. If that says anything, he could be at 9,000 Kiri and once they decided to let Gohan fight first, he could have adjusted his strength to solely deal with him. Though the Saiyans weren't worried though cause they all had access to Super Saiyan 2 and could've beaten him with extreme ease had it arrive to that. |
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Oct 12 2015, 02:48 PM Post #108 | |
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Was Goku sensing or watching the fight between Gohan and Cell (KHH showdown)? Should have been too far away to sense. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 12 2015, 02:48 PM Post #109 | |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the pointer on the Kiri meter at the fullest? Could be that it just measures up to 3,000. Also, Babidi doesn't note it increasing when Goku begins tapping into his SSJ2 power, so either he wasn't paying attention when that was happening or the meter topped out at 3,000. Also notice how Vegeta comments on Kibito's situation, implying that Kibito could've actually done something if he wasn't so shocked. Vegeta knows that he has SSJ2, at the very least, and he isn't one to talk about teamwork unless it's absolutely necessary. So unless you think Dabura >~ SSJ2 Vegeta (Pre-Majin), that's a throwaway statement. |
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| Thiln | Oct 12 2015, 02:51 PM Post #110 | |
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There's still the Kiri argument to be made in regards to SSJ Goku and Dabura's reaction. Was he or was he not suppressed against Yakon? And was the measurement device created to shift right-to-left or left-to-right? If he was suppressed then understand that it might compel some of us to reevaluate particular scenes from the Buu arc in light of this new information. Edit: I keep getting beaten to the punch. As I said above, whether Babidi's power reading device was at its limit or not hinges on which direction the dial is supposed to swerve towards while showing increased power. Spoiler: click to toggle
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| DEY DID DIS 2 ME | Oct 12 2015, 02:51 PM Post #111 | |
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Dabra was fresh and undamaged. Son Gohan was exhausted and would have gotten more tired as the fight went on. Unfazed. Let us not argue semantics. #SteelSharpensSteel |
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| DEY DID DIS 2 ME | Oct 12 2015, 02:52 PM Post #112 | |
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Son Goku sensed Namek... |
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 12 2015, 02:53 PM Post #113 | |
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unfazed adjective UK US /ʌnˈfeɪzd/ informal › not surprised or worried: I'd say using a technique that turns your opponent to stone when you're meant to be getting energy from them means that you're pretty worried about your chances of winning, but alright, let's put aside semantics. Do you agree that Dabura was able to do nothing to Gohan until Gohan started to experience stamina problems? |
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| DEY DID DIS 2 ME | Oct 12 2015, 02:54 PM Post #114 | |
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I would say that Son wasn't at max because Son Gohan was stronger than Dabra projected and Son Goku is even stronger. |
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| DEY DID DIS 2 ME | Oct 12 2015, 03:03 PM Post #115 | |
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I do not. I would say that wearing Son Gohan down is what Dabra did to Son Gohan. You say "experience stamina problems" as if Son Gohan found that heart virus Son Goku had 7 years prior. Dabra styled all over Son's face. Admit it. Son can't hang and Dabs is just starting to cut loose. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 12 2015, 03:11 PM Post #116 | |
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Dabura styled nothing. ''You know what would be cool? If I use my stone spit. He could get turned to stone and I'd lose my chance to extract energy from him, but it'll look so cool.'' He used the stone spit because he was out of options. He failed one surprise attack and the other one did nothing. Say he was stalling all you want, there's no reason to assume he'd hold back to the point where he was having a lot of trouble even keeping up with Gohan. |
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| DEY DID DIS 2 ME | Oct 12 2015, 03:50 PM Post #117 | |
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Dabby styled lots. - Spitting on Son Gohan does not make Dabra lose his plenty of chances to extract from anyone else from Son Goku to Vegeta to even the however many Earthlings left on the planet. If Dabbos was out of options then he would have stopped fighting directly after and Son would not have been as tired. - Dabra wasn't stalling; that's how you are supposed to fight. And it worked. Son Gohan would have been SOL if Dabra didn't call it off. Everyone was wondering why he stopped. And also, Son Goku vs Cell. |
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| + Solid Snake | Oct 12 2015, 04:38 PM Post #118 | |
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That's up for debate on the meter but it doesn't change the fact that Goku's Super Saiyan form wasn't frightening Dabura or Babidi. As I said, they were only stunned at a human having that type of power but if it was max, then surely Babidi would've referenced at Dabura being weaker or something. Kibito was gonna get anything done even if he was composed, unless you think base Gohan likely would get done-in as well? Teamwork or not, that's how Vegeta said it, giving implications that together, they should manage something not he alone (I was talking about as Super Saiyan only cause Dabura doesn't know about it; his confidence can only stem from assuming that's their max power). Edited by Solid Snake, Oct 12 2015, 04:41 PM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 12 2015, 04:41 PM Post #119 | |
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So, do you think Dabura > SSJ Goku? If not, that would mean that Goku's suppressed, and that throws the argument straight out of the window. Vegeta implies that Kibito would've been able to stay alive if he was composed, despite being able to estimate how strong Dabura is. Vegeta knows he himself has SSJ2, though. If he felt that he could take on Dabura by himself as a SSJ2, he wouldn't spout that nonsense about working together. Edited by Yu Narukami, Oct 12 2015, 04:41 PM.
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| DEY DID DIS 2 ME | Oct 12 2015, 04:49 PM Post #120 | |
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I had fun. | |
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