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Which version of Cell is Dabra equal to?
Topic Started: Oct 7 2015, 10:39 PM (9,725 Views)
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I'm not throwing out anything? I'm not the one guessing. My position's pretty solid here from an objective and subjective standpoint.
Alright, then explain me this:

dabura, who is as strong as cell, stalemated Gohan, who is massively weaker than his Cell games saga, who in turn got dominated by a suppressed cell.

Even if you choose the Cell that fought against Goku, Dabura would still be way stronger than Gohan.

Are you gonna tell me that SSJ Buu Saga Gohan is within Cell's ballpark ?


Take a better guess.
Why don't you answer me where the evidence is ANYWHERE for Dabura being suppressed? Huh? Manga? Guidebooks? Interviews? Video games? TCG? Fanfiction doesn't count.

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Dabra said he could fight Boo before Boo powered up. Your evidence. And since you take Piccolo's statements about Gotenks in RoSaT so seriously, I'm sure you will appreciate my presentation.
My evidence? Jeez, Urks. Laying it on thick and nasty.

Chapter: 461 (DBZ 267), P7.6
Dabra: “I don’t know why, but it seems we failed…I thought [Boo] had finally appeared, but it’s just some stupid-looking raw garbage, without brains or power…”


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I'm not throwing out anything? I'm not the one guessing. My position's pretty solid here from an objective and subjective standpoint.
Alright, then explain me this:

dabura, who is as strong as cell, stalemated Gohan, who is massively weaker than his Cell games saga, who in turn got dominated by a suppressed cell.

Even if you choose the Cell that fought against Goku, Dabura would still be way stronger than Gohan.

Are you gonna tell me that SSJ Buu Saga Gohan is within Cell's ballpark ?


Take a better guess.
Why don't you answer me where the evidence is ANYWHERE for Dabura being suppressed? Huh? Manga? Guidebooks? Interviews? Video games? TCG? Fanfiction doesn't count.

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Dabra said he could fight Boo before Boo powered up. Your evidence. And since you take Piccolo's statements about Gotenks in RoSaT so seriously, I'm sure you will appreciate my presentation.
My evidence? Jeez, Urks. Laying it on thick and nasty.

Chapter: 461 (DBZ 267), P7.6
Dabra: “I don’t know why, but it seems we failed…I thought [Boo] had finally appeared, but it’s just some stupid-looking raw garbage, without brains or power…”


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Your evidence is hardly worth wiping my a*** with, let alone liking.
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I'm not throwing out anything? I'm not the one guessing. My position's pretty solid here from an objective and subjective standpoint.
Alright, then explain me this:

dabura, who is as strong as cell, stalemated Gohan, who is massively weaker than his Cell games saga, who in turn got dominated by a suppressed cell.

Even if you choose the Cell that fought against Goku, Dabura would still be way stronger than Gohan.

Are you gonna tell me that SSJ Buu Saga Gohan is within Cell's ballpark ?


Take a better guess.
Why don't you answer me where the evidence is ANYWHERE for Dabura being suppressed? Huh? Manga? Guidebooks? Interviews? Video games? TCG? Fanfiction doesn't count.

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Dabra said he could fight Boo before Boo powered up. Your evidence. And since you take Piccolo's statements about Gotenks in RoSaT so seriously, I'm sure you will appreciate my presentation.
My evidence? Jeez, Urks. Laying it on thick and nasty.

Chapter: 461 (DBZ 267), P7.6
Dabra: “I don’t know why, but it seems we failed…I thought [Boo] had finally appeared, but it’s just some stupid-looking raw garbage, without brains or power…”


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Like my posts :| .
Your evidence is hardly worth wiping my a*** with, let alone liking.
And yet it still stands, uncontested. Now shout "illogical" at it while not disproving it.
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I'm not throwing out anything? I'm not the one guessing. My position's pretty solid here from an objective and subjective standpoint.
Alright, then explain me this:

dabura, who is as strong as cell, stalemated Gohan, who is massively weaker than his Cell games saga, who in turn got dominated by a suppressed cell.

Even if you choose the Cell that fought against Goku, Dabura would still be way stronger than Gohan.

Are you gonna tell me that SSJ Buu Saga Gohan is within Cell's ballpark ?


Take a better guess.
Why don't you answer me where the evidence is ANYWHERE for Dabura being suppressed? Huh? Manga? Guidebooks? Interviews? Video games? TCG? Fanfiction doesn't count.

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Chapter: 459 (DBZ 265), P2.2-3
Badidi: “How about it, Dabra? Just to be sure, do you have confidence that you can defeat that Earthling [Gohan]?”
Dabra: “Naturally. I fought him a little bit before, after all. There’s no doubt that I can take care of trash like that.”

Goku: “Yeah…Well, even if that wasn’t him at full force…I think that before he would have been a frightening opponent, but…7 years ago there was a guy called ‘Cell’…[Dabra]’s probably about as strong as him…”

Dabura being as strong as cell.
Dabura the only one not being out of breath, Gohan was panting so bad he had to take a senzu bean.

There isn't any evidence in the manga, but I'm using logic.


Now you didn't answer my question, Do you have SSJ Buu Saga Gohan within Cell's Level ?

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Dabra: "There’s no doubt that I can take care of trash like that."
Babidi: "But Dabra, you weren't able to damage him at all and tried to turn him to stone instead of injuring him, so doesn't that mean that-"
Dabra: "Shut up, Babidi-sama."

SSJ Gohan >~ Perfect Cell (@Goku) > Dabra
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We all know gohan was way weaker than he was back then. If Dabura was equal to post zenkai Cell, he would utterly smash Gohan in an instant.


Dabura was equal to Perfect Cell at very max........ oh wait it cant be .... I mean not even kid ssj CG gohan could match with Perfect Cell pre zenkai, and buu saga Gohan is way weaker... and we all know that gohan was just ssj againts Dabura AND Dabura as it was shown above cant even hurt buu saga SSJ GOHAN AT ALL which means...



ssj2 Gohan>~ Perfect Cell post zenkai> ssj2 Gohan buu saga > Perfect Cell pre zenkai > ssj goku buu saga >~ kid ssj gohan CG > Dabura >~ssj gohan buu saga



So dabura is about as strong as the Cell who fought with Goku during the Cell Games
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Dabra: "There’s no doubt that I can take care of trash like that."
Babidi: "But Dabra, you weren't able to damage him at all and tried to turn him to stone instead of injuring him, so doesn't that mean that-"
Dabra: "Shut up, Babidi-sama."

SSJ Gohan >~ Perfect Cell (@Goku) > Dabra
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Dabra: "There’s no doubt that I can take care of trash like that."
Babidi: "But Dabra, you weren't able to damage him at all and tried to turn him to stone instead of injuring him, so doesn't that mean that-"
Dabra: "Shut up, Babidi-sama."

SSJ Gohan >~ Perfect Cell (@Goku) > Dabra
I actually laughed, here have a like.
His post at least have a point, prove me so that Dabra was suppressed We ll forfeit. I mean no implifications or even hints indicate so that dabura would be ssj2 tier. Nothing at all.


Nevertheless, we HAVE IMPLIFICATIONS so that Dabura is mid ssj tier.


1, couldnt hurt Gohan at all

2 Fought majin Buu and got wrecked, after than Gohan went SSJ2 ( whilst he indicated he could most certainly defeat Buu ) which means SSJ2 Gohan > Buu(suppressed) >> Dabra


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Dabra: "There’s no doubt that I can take care of trash like that."
Babidi: "But Dabra, you weren't able to damage him at all and tried to turn him to stone instead of injuring him, so doesn't that mean that-"
Dabra: "Shut up, Babidi-sama."

SSJ Gohan >~ Perfect Cell (@Goku) > Dabra
I actually laughed, here have a like.
His post at least have a point, prove me so that Dabra was suppressed We ll forfeit. I mean no implifications or even hints indicate so that dabura would be ssj2 tier. Nothing at all.


Nevertheless, we HAVE IMPLIFICATIONS so that Dabura is mid ssj tier.


1, couldnt hurt Gohan at all

2 Fought majin Buu and got wrecked, after than Gohan went SSJ2 ( whilst he indicated he could most certainly defeat Buu ) which means SSJ2 Gohan > Buu(suppressed) >> Dabra


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I never said he was ssj2 tier ?

Come on, you really need implications for this ? A child would figure it out:
-Dabura is as strong as Perfect Cell, yet he stalemated Gohan.And he later says that I am able to defeat Gohan.
You have dabura's performance on the battle, and the statements that points Dabura as the stronger one.

Dabura against Gohan + Statements Made by Goku and Dabura = Either:
Gohan is Perfect Cell tier even though he wasn't 7 years ago, or Dabura was suppressed.

Either choose:
Dabura wasn't suppressed, but Gohan is as strong as Perfect Cell, or Dabura suppressing himself(This is the most logical conclusion, I mean he's as strong as Perfect Cell, yet he stalemated Gohan ? not to mention he wasn't out of breath.)


Oh, and also even though Dabura didn't hurt Gohan, Gohan also didn't hurt Dabura.

But Dabura was the likeliest to win, given that Gohan was panting at the end of the fight.
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Perfect Cell (@Goku) >~ Dabra

You're assuming Goku is talking about FPPC, which isn't a given in the slightest. Goku doesn't contradict Vegeta's claim about him being able to handle Dabra himself, and Goku doesn't know that Vegeta has SSJ2 at this point.

Gohan didn't really damage Dabra because Dabra was keeping his distance and relying on magic and surprise attacks (which failed). If he'd thrown a Kamehameha or fought with ki blasts instead, he would've dealt with Dabra pretty easily.
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Dabra: "There’s no doubt that I can take care of trash like that."
Babidi: "But Dabra, you weren't able to damage him at all and tried to turn him to stone instead of injuring him, so doesn't that mean that-"
Dabra: "Shut up, Babidi-sama."

SSJ Gohan >~ Perfect Cell (@Goku) > Dabra
I actually laughed, here have a like.
His post at least have a point, prove me so that Dabra was suppressed We ll forfeit. I mean no implifications or even hints indicate so that dabura would be ssj2 tier. Nothing at all.


Nevertheless, we HAVE IMPLIFICATIONS so that Dabura is mid ssj tier.


1, couldnt hurt Gohan at all

2 Fought majin Buu and got wrecked, after than Gohan went SSJ2 ( whilst he indicated he could most certainly defeat Buu ) which means SSJ2 Gohan > Buu(suppressed) >> Dabra


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I never said he was ssj2 tier ?

Come on, you really need implications for this ? A child would figure it out:
-Dabura is as strong as Perfect Cell, yet he stalemated Gohan.And he later says that I am able to defeat Gohan.
You have dabura's performance on the battle, and the statements that points Dabura as the stronger one.

Dabura against Gohan + Statements Made by Goku and Dabura = Either:
Gohan is Perfect Cell tier even though he wasn't 7 years ago, or Dabura was suppressed.

Either choose:
Dabura wasn't suppressed, but Gohan is as strong as Perfect Cell, or Dabura suppressing himself(This is the most logical conclusion, I mean he's as strong as Perfect Cell, yet he stalemated Gohan ? not to mention he wasn't out of breath.)


Oh, and also even though Dabura didn't hurt Gohan, Gohan also didn't hurt Dabura.

But Dabura was the likeliest to win, given that Gohan was panting at the end of the fight.
The only problem with that is


1 vegeta, and Goku stated Gohan was way stronger when he fought with cell Thus kid ssj gohan > teen ssj gohan

2 Gohan was just ssj against Dabra

3 Perfect cell pre zenkai could one stomp kid ssj gohan ...heck even ssj pre majin vegeta and ssj goku.


Yes Dabra said he could defeat Gohan, yet he didnt. Its like when frieza said He could most certainly defeat goku in 100 % yet he failed again


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So what are actually the different camps here in regards to the argument.

What sides believes what?
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