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Which version of Cell is Dabra equal to?
Topic Started: Oct 7 2015, 10:39 PM (9,729 Views)
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Oct 12 2015, 07:09 PM
Gohan hadn't brought out the big guns yet, though, because there wasn't any need. As soon as his stamina got low enough, he would've pulled out a Kamehameha and roasted Dabura.
If Son would have done that, then we could have seen Dabra actually react, which would have given us more to work with. I would have liked that.
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Exactly. It's logical that villains take head on the spirit bomb, but it's somehow illogical for Dabura suppressing his power.It's DBZ you don't expect logic.

Goku stated that Dabura is as strong, if not stronger than cell.
Dabura states himself he should be able to beat gohan.
as Vold stated out, Gohan was the one panting. Dabura was still chill.
How does that translate to gohan winning the fight?
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Oct 12 2015, 07:15 PM
Exactly. It's logical that villains take head on the spirit bomb, but it's somehow illogical for Dabura suppressing his power.It's DBZ you don't expect logic.

Goku stated that Dabura is as strong, if not stronger than cell.
Dabura states himself he should be able to beat gohan.
as Vold stated out, Gohan was the one panting. Dabura was still chill.
How does that translate to gohan winning the fight?
Gohan had a stamina problem, that's what Goku said.

If you look at the fight, tell me how Dabura was winning in any sense of the word.
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Oct 12 2015, 07:16 PM
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Oct 12 2015, 07:15 PM
Exactly. It's logical that villains take head on the spirit bomb, but it's somehow illogical for Dabura suppressing his power.It's DBZ you don't expect logic.

Goku stated that Dabura is as strong, if not stronger than cell.
Dabura states himself he should be able to beat gohan.
as Vold stated out, Gohan was the one panting. Dabura was still chill.
How does that translate to gohan winning the fight?
Gohan had a stamina problem, that's what Goku said.

If you look at the fight, tell me how Dabura was winning in any sense of the word.
Gohan wasn't winning too, just so you know.

Nothing states that Gohan in his Ssj1 is stronger than dabura.

How would you have a stamina problem when you're supposed to be the winning one ?

Dabura wasn't out of breath.It either mean he has limitless stamina or wasn't even trying against him.
I'm going to pick the latter.
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Oct 12 2015, 07:22 PM
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Oct 12 2015, 07:16 PM
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Oct 12 2015, 07:15 PM
Exactly. It's logical that villains take head on the spirit bomb, but it's somehow illogical for Dabura suppressing his power.It's DBZ you don't expect logic.

Goku stated that Dabura is as strong, if not stronger than cell.
Dabura states himself he should be able to beat gohan.
as Vold stated out, Gohan was the one panting. Dabura was still chill.
How does that translate to gohan winning the fight?
Gohan had a stamina problem, that's what Goku said.

If you look at the fight, tell me how Dabura was winning in any sense of the word.
Gohan wasn't winning too, just so you know.

Nothing states that Gohan in his Ssj1 is stronger than dabura.

How would you have a stamina problem when you're supposed to be the winning one ?

Dabura wasn't out of breath.It either mean he has limitless stamina or wasn't even trying against him.
I'm going to pick the latter.
Yeah, nothing except the fact that every one of Dabura's attacks was a complete failure. Surprise attack with a sword? Gohan catches it and breaks it. A magic attack catching Gohan completely by surprise? Gohan basically laughs it off. He resorts to permanently incapacitating his opponent, which goes against what Babidi ordered him to do completely.

If he was holding back, why didn't he increase his power a little so his attacks weren't total failures?
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Dabra didn't looked tired because he was basically cycling through all of his surprise attacks to see what would work and because of that, he had Gohan on the defensive for tricky stuff. However, had the fight gone on, Gohan would have known about all of his tricks and been able to perform much better as a result of not being caught offguard by it a second time.

Evil Flame? Gets dodged
Weird teleportation thing? Lets him land an Evil Impulse, but that only shreds Gohan's clothes and doesn't even make him bleed
Stone Spit? Fails due to glove
Sword from the back? Fails

Dabra could stall for a bit because Gohan needed to watch out for it, but otherwise, Dabra's magic was failing miserably
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but it didn't fail because son was wearing down :)
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if Dabura wasn't trying then why not actually try? It's not like he's was going easy and kicking Gohan's a*** or something. He was doing horribly, enough that Babidi called him out on it. He looked like a scrub the entire fight who couldn't even take Gohan on directly.
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Oct 12 2015, 07:06 PM
look, you can think whatever and be perplexed, but its simple to me. He wasn't tired; Son Gohan was; I don't have to make this up, and I don't have to say how stupid a manga character is. Face facts.
Hey, as long as you're not saying he was holding back power specifically, we don't really have a disagreement here. But if you are specifying power, then you've really proved nothing beyond Dabura's lack of wolf huffing.
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Oct 12 2015, 07:24 PM
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Oct 12 2015, 07:22 PM
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Oct 12 2015, 07:16 PM
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Oct 12 2015, 07:15 PM
Exactly. It's logical that villains take head on the spirit bomb, but it's somehow illogical for Dabura suppressing his power.It's DBZ you don't expect logic.

Goku stated that Dabura is as strong, if not stronger than cell.
Dabura states himself he should be able to beat gohan.
as Vold stated out, Gohan was the one panting. Dabura was still chill.
How does that translate to gohan winning the fight?
Gohan had a stamina problem, that's what Goku said.

If you look at the fight, tell me how Dabura was winning in any sense of the word.
Gohan wasn't winning too, just so you know.

Nothing states that Gohan in his Ssj1 is stronger than dabura.

How would you have a stamina problem when you're supposed to be the winning one ?

Dabura wasn't out of breath.It either mean he has limitless stamina or wasn't even trying against him.
I'm going to pick the latter.
Yeah, nothing except the fact that every one of Dabura's attacks was a complete failure. Surprise attack with a sword? Gohan catches it and breaks it. A magic attack catching Gohan completely by surprise? Gohan basically laughs it off. He resorts to permanently incapacitating his opponent, which goes against what Babidi ordered him to do completely.

If he was holding back, why didn't he increase his power a little so his attacks weren't total failures?
Then explain the fact why dabura wasn't out of breath.
you're talking about Dabra's hits on gohan.
yes they did nothing, but did Gohan's hits have an effect on Dabura's ?
NOTHING.

The burden of proof is on you my Friend.
Goku's statements.Vegeta's remark.Dabura's statement.
Gohan has nothing on his side.
You're judging by the fight, in which neither of the sides are winning.
Dabura was the likeliest of the two to win.
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Dabura's quite clearly not a hand-to-hand guy. He lost the first melee encounter they had, and then actively avoided every other possible session he could. He tried to spit on Gohan when Gohan went in for another close quarters attack, and then whipped out his sword as a surprise rather than trying some melee, after which they're both huffing for a panel until the next page where we don't see any huffing...and then the fight ends.

Gohan's lost stamina, but Dabura's failed his mission. They both lost.

There's Goku and Vegeta losing faith in Gohan's chances of winning, and Dabura's statement of winning a second round, but then there's also the fight itself that showed Gohan gradually being worn down by Dabura's constant tricks (not any physicality itself, which is Gohan's field of expertise in contrast).
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Oct 12 2015, 07:31 PM
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Oct 12 2015, 07:24 PM
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Oct 12 2015, 07:16 PM
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Oct 12 2015, 07:15 PM
Exactly. It's logical that villains take head on the spirit bomb, but it's somehow illogical for Dabura suppressing his power.It's DBZ you don't expect logic.

Goku stated that Dabura is as strong, if not stronger than cell.
Dabura states himself he should be able to beat gohan.
as Vold stated out, Gohan was the one panting. Dabura was still chill.
How does that translate to gohan winning the fight?
Gohan had a stamina problem, that's what Goku said.

If you look at the fight, tell me how Dabura was winning in any sense of the word.
Gohan wasn't winning too, just so you know.

Nothing states that Gohan in his Ssj1 is stronger than dabura.

How would you have a stamina problem when you're supposed to be the winning one ?

Dabura wasn't out of breath.It either mean he has limitless stamina or wasn't even trying against him.
I'm going to pick the latter.
Yeah, nothing except the fact that every one of Dabura's attacks was a complete failure. Surprise attack with a sword? Gohan catches it and breaks it. A magic attack catching Gohan completely by surprise? Gohan basically laughs it off. He resorts to permanently incapacitating his opponent, which goes against what Babidi ordered him to do completely.

If he was holding back, why didn't he increase his power a little so his attacks weren't total failures?
Then explain the fact why dabura wasn't out of breath.
you're talking about Dabra's hits on gohan.
yes they did nothing, but did Gohan's hits have an effect on Dabura's ?
NOTHING.

The burden of proof is on you my Friend.
Goku's statements.Vegeta's remark.Dabura's statement.
Gohan has nothing on his side.
You're judging by the fight, in which neither of the sides are winning.
Dabura was the likeliest of the two to win.
So you're gonna tell me with a straight face that Dabura was either stronger or holding back? His performance was pathetic is he was actually much stronger than Gohan, he wouldn't have wasted any energy by upping his strength a little bit and actually damaging Gohan like Babidi ordered him to. Instead, he's comfortable hanging out at a power level where he gets embarrassed (to the point where even Babidi comments on how bad he's doing). If his aim was to wear Gohan out, why couldn't he have increased his power a tad and worn him out even quicker by actually putting up a decent fight?

Arguing that he's aiming to wear Gohan out by holding back makes no sense whatsoever. Go full blast for a minute and get a ton of energy or reveal your entire arsenal to the two other opponents you're planning on facing by holding back? The former lets him get it done faster and means that he's got surprise techniques to pull out against Goku and Vegeta.
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end results tell all.

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I guess I'll add to this.

Dabra barely did damage? Cool. Son Gohan got more hits physically? Cool.
Son Gohan's attacks didn't affect Dabra? :lol: Dabra worn Son Gohan down to a Senzu. :w00t:
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Oct 12 2015, 08:00 PM
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What exactly is the end result you're pointing at? Dabura's confidence while Gohan needs a senzu before potentially facing Boo?

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Oct 12 2015, 07:54 PM
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Oct 12 2015, 07:16 PM
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Oct 12 2015, 07:15 PM
Exactly. It's logical that villains take head on the spirit bomb, but it's somehow illogical for Dabura suppressing his power.It's DBZ you don't expect logic.

Goku stated that Dabura is as strong, if not stronger than cell.
Dabura states himself he should be able to beat gohan.
as Vold stated out, Gohan was the one panting. Dabura was still chill.
How does that translate to gohan winning the fight?
Gohan had a stamina problem, that's what Goku said.

If you look at the fight, tell me how Dabura was winning in any sense of the word.
Gohan wasn't winning too, just so you know.

Nothing states that Gohan in his Ssj1 is stronger than dabura.

How would you have a stamina problem when you're supposed to be the winning one ?

Dabura wasn't out of breath.It either mean he has limitless stamina or wasn't even trying against him.
I'm going to pick the latter.
Yeah, nothing except the fact that every one of Dabura's attacks was a complete failure. Surprise attack with a sword? Gohan catches it and breaks it. A magic attack catching Gohan completely by surprise? Gohan basically laughs it off. He resorts to permanently incapacitating his opponent, which goes against what Babidi ordered him to do completely.

If he was holding back, why didn't he increase his power a little so his attacks weren't total failures?
Then explain the fact why dabura wasn't out of breath.
you're talking about Dabra's hits on gohan.
yes they did nothing, but did Gohan's hits have an effect on Dabura's ?
NOTHING.

The burden of proof is on you my Friend.
Goku's statements.Vegeta's remark.Dabura's statement.
Gohan has nothing on his side.
You're judging by the fight, in which neither of the sides are winning.
Dabura was the likeliest of the two to win.
So you're gonna tell me with a straight face that Dabura was either stronger or holding back? His performance was pathetic is he was actually much stronger than Gohan, he wouldn't have wasted any energy by upping his strength a little bit and actually damaging Gohan like Babidi ordered him to. Instead, he's comfortable hanging out at a power level where he gets embarrassed (to the point where even Babidi comments on how bad he's doing). If his aim was to wear Gohan out, why couldn't he have increased his power a tad and worn him out even quicker by actually putting up a decent fight?

Arguing that he's aiming to wear Gohan out by holding back makes no sense whatsoever. Go full blast for a minute and get a ton of energy or reveal your entire arsenal to the two other opponents you're planning on facing by holding back? The former lets him get it done faster and means that he's got surprise techniques to pull out against Goku and Vegeta.
Yes he is stronger.LITERALLY every statements which are referring to him are basically pointhing as the stronger one in the fight.
Yes, he could have done this to wear off gohan, and he would have succeeded if it wasn't for him discovering the evil inside Vegeta.It's not illogical, it's called having a strategy.
It would be way better than having an opponent that can strike back.Dabura would tire gohan and then damage him.and He did manage to tire gohan so much, he had to take a Senzu.


I'll tell you what's Illogical and doesn't make any sense, and I want you to answer:
Why didn't Gohan go SSJ2 ?
They had to kill Babidi's minions fast in order to prevent Buu from reviving.
I won't argue that Gohan SSJ2 is stronger than Dabura.
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