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Which version of Cell is Dabra equal to?
Topic Started: Oct 7 2015, 10:39 PM (9,722 Views)
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This has been going around in my head as long as I can remember. Which Version of Cell was Goku talking about when talking about Dabra? Want to hear your guys's reason's and answers.
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I checked my manga copy to be sure and Gohan doesn't have any lightning when fighting him there and is quite struggling as a Grade 4. I'm gonna say regular Perfect Cell, especially how relaxed both Goku and Vegeta are about their odds of taking Dabra out.
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A suppressed perfect cell. Like the one goku fought

This is because it's generally accepted that ssj gohan(iirc gohan was ssj1 against dabura, not ssj2) in the buu saga is about as strong as ssj goku during the cell games. This goku was about as strong as a suppressed perfect cell. Gohan had a small power advantage advantage over dabura I think
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Dabura (With Magic)>Dabura~Cell (against Goku)

Dabura was having difficulties facing off against SSJ Boo Arc Gohan, someone vastly weaker than his kid self. Even if you decide to have Dabura significantly above Gohan, there's no reason to put him any higher than say Cell (against SSJ Kid Gohan) and certainly nowhere near the likes of someone like Full Powered Perfect Cell and a big joke towards Zenkai Perfect Cell.
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AT's original intention might have been Super-Perfect Cell, but that doesn't work so only around the power Cell used against Goku.
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Oct 7 2015, 11:10 PM
Dabura (With Magic)>Dabura~Cell (against Goku)

Dabura was having difficulties facing off against SSJ Boo Arc Gohan, someone vastly weaker than his kid self. Even if you decide to have Dabura significantly above Gohan, there's no reason to put him any higher than say Cell (against SSJ Kid Gohan) and certainly nowhere near the likes of someone like Full Powered Perfect Cell and a big joke towards Zenkai Perfect Cell.
Except, when you look at their fight in the manga, Gohan clearly had a power advantage. Dabra was avoiding close combat at all times, and resorting only to distant attacks. There is more evidence pointing toward Gohan being a SSJ2, with many reasons.

Dabra even after witnessing SSJ Goku's kiri, he still intended for all 3 of them to attack him at once.

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Vegeta: “Hmph…Seems Babidi is really panicking, if you, his #1 man are already making your appearance…”
Dabra: “Hmph…Let’s end the pointless blather there and have all of you come at me, at once.”

You may consider this as confidence, but it's a stretch to say he is a suicidal idiot. He even admits that talk is for pretenders and is ready to prove it in battle. Dabra, is foolish for doing this, as he is unaware that they are capable of SSJ2.

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Dabura's blast lands clean on Gohan, knocking him into the sea. Yet aside from his clothing being tattered, he emerges without as much as a scratch to show for it. Babidi confirms that Dabura isn't able to inflict any significant damage on Gohan:

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This Gohan however,appears to cause some damage by simple attacks. This Gohan is expressed to be much stronger as well. This cant happen if Gohan was SSJ1 against Dabra, since he had no scratches from Dabra's large Ki attack, while Cell was able to cause Superficial damage to Gohan. He was only able to tank his attacks when Kid Gohan became a SSJ2.

If SSJ1 Gohan couldn't tank simple attacks from Cell, then the same could be said for Gohan in a even weaker state, Gohan was SSJ2. Which makes it impossible for Dabra at Suppressed level Cell. Dabra is at best FP Perfect Cell - Super Perfect Cell tier.




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If you ask me, the only evidence to Gohan being SSJ1 is the fact that his features were visually normal Super Saiyan esque. It's also the most prominent piece of evidence because visuals can tell which form they're using. Otherwise, I would prefer it if Dabura were SSJ2 tier, but I'm disinclined from believing so.
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Yeah, it makes more sense for Gohan to be a Super Saiyan 2, but the art says otherwise... We saw what Super Saiyan 2 Gohan looked like during the Budokai, and he doesn't look like a Super Saiyan 2 here. Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Vegeta are even drawn in the very same volume, volume 38. Unless Toriyama's goal was to make Goku and Vegeta look much more impressive by comparison, which I doubt is the case, he's a Super Saiyan until Toriyama says otherwise.
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I still don't understand the hair though. Gohans hair when he fought dabura looked like ssj2 hair but his aura was ssj1. Art issues or?
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Oct 8 2015, 01:02 AM
I still don't understand the hair though. Gohans hair when he fought dabura looked like ssj2 hair but his aura was ssj1. Art issues or?
Not exactly. There is a clear difference:
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Dabra seeing Goku's kiris may not particularly matter. Somehow the small increase from Super Saiyan needs to be explained - Goku was suppressed, the Kiri meter doesn't go any higher or the multiplier was reduced to below 4x. Only the last explanation gives meaning to Dabra's confidence. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems unlikely.

I'll agree that Super Saiyan 2 Gohan makes way more sense, but he's clearly not one.
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Oct 8 2015, 01:04 AM
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I still don't understand the hair though. Gohans hair when he fought dabura looked like ssj2 hair but his aura was ssj1. Art issues or?
Not exactly. There is a clear difference:
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Jesus Christ toriyama could not have made it harder to tell...

So the back of his head has longer spikier hair and the front has less but bigger spikes? Is that what I'm seeing?
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Oct 8 2015, 01:13 AM
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Oct 8 2015, 01:02 AM
I still don't understand the hair though. Gohans hair when he fought dabura looked like ssj2 hair but his aura was ssj1. Art issues or?
Not exactly. There is a clear difference:
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Jesus Christ toriyama could not have made it harder to tell...

So the back of his head has longer spikier hair and the front has less but bigger spikes? Is that what I'm seeing?
More or less. His eyes are also different.
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What's so different about his eyes?
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Oct 8 2015, 01:20 AM
What's so different about his eyes?
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan's eyes are sharper.
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