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Why do people think Vegeta and Bulma are better parents than Goku and Chi-Chi?
Topic Started: Oct 7 2015, 04:46 PM (746 Views)
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Vegeta has been at least shown having some interest in his kids life where as Super episode 1 perfectly encapsulates why Goku, who might have been a good dad at least during the five year break between DB and Z, is not one anymore. He can't bring himself up to do a job to provide for them and promptly f*cks off the second Satan gives Chi-Chi enough cash to hold them over indefinitely for God knows how long. I don't think Goku is necessarily to blame here but his family as well for being okay with his behavior but still, he's been interacting with other people for decades at this point. He's not some hick who can't even tell men and women apart, he should've learned how to think about other people besides himself when the Earth & universe aren't in danger.
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Vegeta had his moment of getting enraged over Trunks's death and protecting Trunks from Boo by keeping him from interfering. Goku, by comparison, has nothing like that and in fact, throws Gohan, Goten, and Trunks to the wolves while smiling.

Not saying Vegeta is a better parent though. He did sell his soul because he wanted to hate his family, after all
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Still, it speaks volumes about him that even after selling his soul he couldn't help but love them regardless even if his mid life crisis mentality desperately wanted to bring him back to what he considers the good ol days. Even Goku who's as about as thick as they get managed to see through all of that.
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Oct 7 2015, 07:53 PM
Still, it speaks volumes about him that even after selling his soul he couldn't help but love them regardless even if his mid life crisis mentality desperately wanted to bring him back to what he considers the good ol days. Even Goku who's as about as thick as they get managed to see through all of that.
He also slaughtered dozens of people while smiling like a maniac right in front of them. I really don't consider him a good parent
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Oct 7 2015, 08:28 PM
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Oct 7 2015, 07:53 PM
Still, it speaks volumes about him that even after selling his soul he couldn't help but love them regardless even if his mid life crisis mentality desperately wanted to bring him back to what he considers the good ol days. Even Goku who's as about as thick as they get managed to see through all of that.
He also slaughtered dozens of people while smiling like a maniac right in front of them. I really don't consider him a good parent
If he was really into it, he would've made the second blast go directly at Bulma with the intent of killing her but he conveniently doesn't, probably sensing the others and figuring she'd stick to them. I still don't condone him murdering those people and I don't think he wins father of the year by any stretch, but in comparison to Goku, he's leaps and bounds better which only becomes more apparent in GT where he chills out at spends most of his time just with his family over training.
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I agree with lazer but Goku's believed to have it much worst (Gohan during the Cell Games saga).
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lazerbem
Oct 7 2015, 08:28 PM
ekrolo2
Oct 7 2015, 07:53 PM
Still, it speaks volumes about him that even after selling his soul he couldn't help but love them regardless even if his mid life crisis mentality desperately wanted to bring him back to what he considers the good ol days. Even Goku who's as about as thick as they get managed to see through all of that.
He also slaughtered dozens of people while smiling like a maniac right in front of them. I really don't consider him a good parent
Crazy people can be great parents but poor role models.
Just look at Dexter.
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Oct 7 2015, 07:53 PM
Still, it speaks volumes about him that even after selling his soul he couldn't help but love them regardless even if his mid life crisis mentality desperately wanted to bring him back to what he considers the good ol days. Even Goku who's as about as thick as they get managed to see through all of that.
He also slaughtered dozens of people while smiling like a maniac right in front of them. I really don't consider him a good parent
Crazy people can be great parents but poor role models.
Just look at Dexter.
But then they aren't great parents, are they? That's like saying that a gangster who decides to start shooting people in front of his house for the lolz but then comes back and pats his kid on the head is a good dad
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A lot of talk about Goku and Vegeta here, but let me say more two cents on their female counterparts.

Chi-Chi is a very controlling mom with Gohan, not wanting him to be like his father. He forces him to study all the time so he can achieve something she wants. Gohan should become what he wants because he wants to, not what Chi-Chi wants. When it comes to Goten, she's way too non-protective. She actually teaches him to fight even though she doesn't want him to be a Super Saiyan. She clearly treats both her sons wrongly in two different ways.

What I've seen of Bulma's parenting, she seems like a great mom. She cared a great deal about her future son when he was around and she was very adamant about Vegeta being a dad. She might be the only good parent in the series.
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Oct 8 2015, 03:28 AM
A lot of talk about Goku and Vegeta here, but let me say more two cents on their female counterparts.

Chi-Chi is a very controlling mom with Gohan, not wanting him to be like his father. He forces him to study all the time so he can achieve something she wants. Gohan should become what he wants because he wants to, not what Chi-Chi wants. When it comes to Goten, she's way too non-protective. She actually teaches him to fight even though she doesn't want him to be a Super Saiyan. She clearly treats both her sons wrongly in two different ways.

What I've seen of Bulma's parenting, she seems like a great mom. She cared a great deal about her future son when he was around and she was very adamant about Vegeta being a dad. She might be the only good parent in the series.
...And that's what he did.

Also... Krillin and #18's parenting >>>> Bulma's parenting

Bulma is not really a great mother, she's too absent-minded and careless of Trunks for example bringing him towards harm's way just to see some android action. Anyone who does that does not deserve to called a good mother. At least Chi-Chi made an effort to keep her kids safe.

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He did it, yeah, but she was very pushy. She had selfish thoughts about it, admit it.

I didn't even think of Krillin and 18. Yeah, they are better parents.

You pull out the only bad thing she did and that's somehow worse than Chi-Chi's discrimination.
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Honestly Bulma is probably a great parent and if it wasn't for Vegeta, Trunks would...well probably be much more like his Android Arc self, calmer, friendlier and far less of a little douche nugget. I mean you see the same thing with Gohan. He barely has any interactions with his father so most of his time is with his mother. What yo uget is a kid who is nice, friendly, smart and desires an education.

Kid Trunks meanwhile got time to spend with Vegeta and well...interactions change people.

Chi-Chi and Bulma both have their flaws. One is a very overbearing parent while the other one may be a little too relaxed in the way they raise their children.

As for their fathers, well Vegeta just comes off as feeling mostly indifferent but hey, he did go into a frothing rage when Cell killed Trunks and became a mutant when Bulma got hit and hey at least stay sin the same home as his family.

Goku I think is just a sadist. He likes seeing children get hurt, that's why he sends Gohan out to get his face pummeled by Cell and sends kids out to fight Boo despite knowing he can handle the problem. He desires to see the pain on other people's faces. He relishes in that moment when fear and horror and agony cross their mind. It's all for the lust of the fight.
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Goku at the beginning of DragonBall Z up-to maybe the Freeza Saga seemed to care about Gohan (especially at the beginning like against Raditz), but after that he changed. He still cared maybe, but changed.
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I consider Bulma the best parent out of the rest of the 3. Goku in the manga just puts his son's in danger to "learn" to protect the world and never really spends much time with him, although I think it's clear he loves his son his nature doesn't let him be a great parent. Chi-Chi doesn't give a damn about what her son might want, she puts her desires above her son's preferences. And even though Gohan ended up liking studying and all even if he didn't Chi-Chi wouldn't give him a choice in the matter.

Bulma cares for his son, as we witness in the Cell Arc and in the Buu Arc and Vegeta doesn't give a s*** until end of Cell arc where he gets enraged over his Future son's death, he also spend a lot of time with Kid Trunks in the 7 year period and sacrificed himself against Buu for him and Bulma.

So yeah I believe Vegeta and Bulma are better parents overall.
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