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Dragon Ball Superman, universe destroying feat debunked.; Debunking dbs ep 12-13 feat.
Topic Started: Oct 6 2015, 06:54 PM (3,036 Views)
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Okay this is dragging on what exactly is your point becuase you haven't debunked anything in my opinion so what exactly are you saying?
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Oct 6 2015, 07:28 PM
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Oct 6 2015, 07:23 PM
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Oct 6 2015, 06:54 PM
So a lot of dbz fans have been claiming that Goku can now destroy the universe. I've decided not to watch Dragon Ball Super because it's Super crappy and it's slowly ruining dbz for me, but i decided to watch 2 latest episodes and i'm gonna explain why that feat was taken out of contest :)

"The universe is gonna crumble".

crumble - break or fall apart into small fragments, especially as part of a process of deterioration.
We all know that it's not possible for Universe to crumble because it's not an object so what King Kai was referring to was the objects in the universe such as galaxies, stars, planets etc.

"If those two clash against each other like this a few more times...People, Planets, Gods like us, even Beerus-sama and Goku.. Will be completely destroyed! There will be nothing left in the universe. It will turn in to vaccum made out of nothingness.
Now as we see Elder Kai mentions that if they keep punching each other 3 times the universe will turn in to vaccum of nothingness which means the universe will simply be empty. It's a pretty impressive feat overall but people are taking it out of it's context.

Also huge con about this feat. Goku needs about 1 minute to power up so he can preform something like this and many fictional characters can kill him within that 1 minute.

Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong or missed something i'm up for a discussion.
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I take it you dislike Dragon Ball despite claiming Super's ruining it. Goku don't have to power up for him to be able to take on most of the fiction fan base. At bear minimum, he's a solar system buster and at max is universal.

Only people of similar strength or hax abilities can fight this man. Then he has regeneration now too (not as effective as Namekian's or Buu's but a plus nonetheless).

Goku ain't unbeatable, but he can definitely whoop a few of the strongest Supermen a***'s now. No bias.

Edit: And dudes mftl too.
Seriously what is wrong with you people i never said he can't destroy the universe i said that people misunderstood what Elder Kai meant with "destroying the universe"
Also the Superman part depends on which superman we're talking about because i'm pretty sure C.A Superman can solo dbz universe on his own taking the fact that he is supported by story itself.
That's just the title, in-universe, Elder Kaioshin and even Northern Kaio state such about their ability to destroy it. Crumble is just their to give you a short pretext of what's about to be highlighted in the episode.

I said a few of the strongest like Pre-Crisis Superman for one.
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Oct 6 2015, 07:37 PM
Okay this is dragging on what exactly is your point becuase you haven't debunked anything in my opinion so what exactly are you saying?
My point is people are saying they destroyed the universe(space matter included), this post was mainly for them.
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Oct 6 2015, 07:34 PM
The only reason boo was capable of doing that was because he was in heyperbolic time chamber (or smth like that). It's not really usable feat because he never used it in a fight or anything else. And Beerus maybe can do that but all i'm saying is that he did no't show that he can because this feat clearly never states that space and time will be destroyed.

"I've personally never come across a feat where someone destroyed all of space-time along with the matter and energy. " there are thousands of characters like this in dc and marvel you just have to look for them.
Proof? You have no evidence to substantiate the the claim that Boo couldn't open a hole in space-time outside the ROSAT. I'm aware that the shockwaves and or energy resulting for their clashes was not going to eliminate space-time, I'm just saying, I wouldn't put it past Beerus to be able to eliminate space time.

And I don't want to go looking for them. If you have evidence that this occurs in Marvel and DC, provide it.
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Oct 6 2015, 07:40 PM
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Oct 6 2015, 07:37 PM
Okay this is dragging on what exactly is your point becuase you haven't debunked anything in my opinion so what exactly are you saying?
My point is people are saying they destroyed the universe(space matter included), this post was mainly for them.
Who said they destroyed the universe? They didn't destroy it but they clearly can if their fight or beam struggle gets out of control

This have anything to do with goku vs superman? I can't tell. You put superman in the title but not in the post
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Oct 6 2015, 06:54 PM
So a lot of dbz fans have been claiming that Goku can now destroy the universe. I've decided not to watch Dragon Ball Super because it's Super crappy and it's slowly ruining dbz for me, but i decided to watch 2 latest episodes and i'm gonna explain why that feat was taken out of contest :)

"The universe is gonna crumble".

crumble - break or fall apart into small fragments, especially as part of a process of deterioration.
We all know that it's not possible for Universe to crumble because it's not an object so what King Kai was referring to was the objects in the universe such as galaxies, stars, planets etc.

"If those two clash against each other like this a few more times...People, Planets, Gods like us, even Beerus-sama and Goku.. Will be completely destroyed! There will be nothing left in the universe. It will turn in to vaccum made out of nothingness.
Now as we see Elder Kai mentions that if they keep punching each other 3 times the universe will turn in to vaccum of nothingness which means the universe will simply be empty. It's a pretty impressive feat overall but people are taking it out of it's context.

Also huge con about this feat. Goku needs about 1 minute to power up so he can preform something like this and many fictional characters can kill him within that 1 minute.

Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong or missed something i'm up for a discussion.
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lel you didn't debunk ANYTHING. Literally all you did was say "this feat logically makes no sense". It's fiction. The fact that Goku and Beerus could destroy the Universe is supported by Old Kai, King Kai, Akira Toriyama, and most importantly the NARRATIVE. Besides, you clearly see certain celestial objects not just shatter but DISINTEGRATE in this fight. These feat is at LEAST Multi-Galaxy level in Goku's favor.
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Oct 6 2015, 06:54 PM
So a lot of dbz fans have been claiming that Goku can now destroy the universe. I've decided not to watch Dragon Ball Super because it's Super crappy and it's slowly ruining dbz for me, but i decided to watch 2 latest episodes and i'm gonna explain why that feat was taken out of contest :)

"The universe is gonna crumble".

crumble - break or fall apart into small fragments, especially as part of a process of deterioration.
We all know that it's not possible for Universe to crumble because it's not an object so what King Kai was referring to was the objects in the universe such as galaxies, stars, planets etc.

"If those two clash against each other like this a few more times...People, Planets, Gods like us, even Beerus-sama and Goku.. Will be completely destroyed! There will be nothing left in the universe. It will turn in to vaccum made out of nothingness.
Now as we see Elder Kai mentions that if they keep punching each other 3 times the universe will turn in to vaccum of nothingness which means the universe will simply be empty. It's a pretty impressive feat overall but people are taking it out of it's context.

Also huge con about this feat. Goku needs about 1 minute to power up so he can preform something like this and many fictional characters can kill him within that 1 minute.

Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong or missed something i'm up for a discussion.
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lel you didn't debunk ANYTHING. Literally all you did was say "this feat logically makes no sense". It's fiction. The fact that Goku and Beerus could destroy the Universe is supported by Old Kai, King Kai, Akira Toriyama, and most importantly the NARRATIVE. Besides, you clearly see certain celestial objects not just shatter but DISINTEGRATE in this fight. These feat is at LEAST Multi-Galaxy level in Goku's favor.
Plus he can charge up a quick kamehameha and do it
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Beerus nullified a universal attack (and beyond) with 100% of his power, end of story.

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I wonder still though. Can beerus or goku one shot the universe by themselves or can they only do it when they clash?

I think beerus can since he nullified that blast but idk about goku. Probably not
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Either way, it depends on the intensity of the fighting. If Goku couldn't handle matching Birusu's blows then he would've died or had a broken arm. He at least have to be just as strong to do this.
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I wonder still though. Can beerus or goku one shot the universe by themselves or can they only do it when they clash?

I think beerus can since he nullified that blast but idk about goku. Probably not

Beerus can do it for sure, he has statements, evidence (nullifying the universe busting attack) and physical blows which could do it while colliding with SSJG Goku. I don't know if Goku can but he is very close at the least.

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Oct 10 2015, 05:23 PM
Either way, it depends on the intensity of the fighting. If Goku couldn't handle matching Birusu's blows then he would've died or had a broken arm. He at least have to be just as strong to do this.

If SSJG Goku is matching Beerus's 100% then yes he can, all depends in the next episode will see tomorrow, cause Beerus might have lied about using Full Power.
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