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Dragon Ball Superman, universe destroying feat debunked.; Debunking dbs ep 12-13 feat.
Topic Started: Oct 6 2015, 06:54 PM (3,035 Views)
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So a lot of dbz fans have been claiming that Goku can now destroy the universe. I've decided not to watch Dragon Ball Super because it's Super crappy and it's slowly ruining dbz for me, but i decided to watch 2 latest episodes and i'm gonna explain why that feat was taken out of contest :)

"The universe is gonna crumble".

crumble - break or fall apart into small fragments, especially as part of a process of deterioration.
We all know that it's not possible for Universe to crumble because it's not an object so what King Kai was referring to was the objects in the universe such as galaxies, stars, planets etc.

"If those two clash against each other like this a few more times...People, Planets, Gods like us, even Beerus-sama and Goku.. Will be completely destroyed! There will be nothing left in the universe. It will turn in to vaccum made out of nothingness.
Now as we see Elder Kai mentions that if they keep punching each other 3 times the universe will turn in to vaccum of nothingness which means the universe will simply be empty. It's a pretty impressive feat overall but people are taking it out of it's context.

Also huge con about this feat. Goku needs about 1 minute to power up so he can preform something like this and many fictional characters can kill him within that 1 minute.

Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong or missed something i'm up for a discussion.
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But you didn't debunk anything............

Besides the universe would have been completely destroyed if beerus didn't use 100% of his power

Also it's 1 minute relative to the audience besides narration at the end of episode 13 says they are fighting with enough power to destroy the universe so yeah....
Edited by King Kakarot, Oct 6 2015, 07:02 PM.
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King Kakarot
Oct 6 2015, 06:57 PM
But you didn't debunk anything............

Besides the universe would have been completely destroyed if beerus didn't use 100% of his power
Sooo you don't have any argument to counter my claims you're just talking nonsense. And i don't know if Beerus could destroy the universe because they never really showed him, plus i'm not saying they cant destroy dbz universe all i'm saying is the feat has been taken out of it's context.
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Whats out of context beerus and Goku clashing 2-3 times would've destroyed the universe

How am I talking nonsense that's what was said

Edit : he nullified the energy that would have destroyed the universe that answers your question
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Oct 6 2015, 07:06 PM
Whats out of context beerus and Goku clashing 2-3 times would've destroyed the universe

How am I talking nonsense that's what was said
"If those two clash against each other like this a few more times...People, Planets, Gods like us, even Beerus-sama and Goku.. Will be completely destroyed! There will be nothing left in the universe. It will turn in to vaccum made out of nothingness."
No the universe would not be destroyed it would remain elder kai clearly said so himself lol.
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Now as we see Elder Kai mentions that if they keep punching each other 3 times the universe will turn in to vaccum of nothingness which means the universe will simply be empty. It's a pretty impressive feat overall but people are taking it out of it's context.

Would you care to elaborate on what is being taken out of content? The universe being made void is pretty cut and dry...
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No the universe would not be destroyed it would remain elder kai clearly said so himself lol.

What...? You straight up contradicted the quote you provided =/.
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Oct 6 2015, 07:14 PM.
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Oct 6 2015, 07:09 PM
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Oct 6 2015, 07:06 PM
Whats out of context beerus and Goku clashing 2-3 times would've destroyed the universe

How am I talking nonsense that's what was said
"If those two clash against each other like this a few more times...People, Planets, Gods like us, even Beerus-sama and Goku.. Will be completely destroyed! There will be nothing left in the universe. It will turn in to vaccum made out of nothingness."
No the universe would not be destroyed it would remain elder kai clearly said so himself lol.
how will the universe remain if there's nothing in it?

is that not a destroyed universe?
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Oct 6 2015, 07:13 PM
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Oct 6 2015, 07:09 PM
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Whats out of context beerus and Goku clashing 2-3 times would've destroyed the universe

How am I talking nonsense that's what was said
"If those two clash against each other like this a few more times...People, Planets, Gods like us, even Beerus-sama and Goku.. Will be completely destroyed! There will be nothing left in the universe. It will turn in to vaccum made out of nothingness."
No the universe would not be destroyed it would remain elder kai clearly said so himself lol.
how will the universe remain if there's nothing in it?

is that not a destroyed universe?
Universe - all existing matter and space considered as a whole; the cosmos. The universe is believed to be at least 10 billion light years in diameter and contains a vast number of galaxies; it has been expanding since its creation in the Big Bang about 13 billion years ago.

So no the only thing they were capable of destroying was objects in the universe, the universe it's self as space will remain.
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Oct 6 2015, 06:54 PM
So a lot of dbz fans have been claiming that Goku can now destroy the universe. I've decided not to watch Dragon Ball Super because it's Super crappy and it's slowly ruining dbz for me, but i decided to watch 2 latest episodes and i'm gonna explain why that feat was taken out of contest :)

"The universe is gonna crumble".

crumble - break or fall apart into small fragments, especially as part of a process of deterioration.
We all know that it's not possible for Universe to crumble because it's not an object so what King Kai was referring to was the objects in the universe such as galaxies, stars, planets etc.

"If those two clash against each other like this a few more times...People, Planets, Gods like us, even Beerus-sama and Goku.. Will be completely destroyed! There will be nothing left in the universe. It will turn in to vaccum made out of nothingness.
Now as we see Elder Kai mentions that if they keep punching each other 3 times the universe will turn in to vaccum of nothingness which means the universe will simply be empty. It's a pretty impressive feat overall but people are taking it out of it's context.

Also huge con about this feat. Goku needs about 1 minute to power up so he can preform something like this and many fictional characters can kill him within that 1 minute.

Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong or missed something i'm up for a discussion.
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I take it you dislike Dragon Ball despite claiming Super's ruining it. Goku don't have to power up for him to be able to take on most of the fiction fan base. At bear minimum, he's a solar system buster and at max is universal.

Only people of similar strength or hax abilities can fight this man. Then he has regeneration now too (not as effective as Namekian's or Buu's but a plus nonetheless).

Goku ain't unbeatable, but he can definitely whoop a few of the strongest Supermen a***'s now. No bias.

Edit: And dudes mftl too.
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Oct 6 2015, 07:20 PM
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Whats out of context beerus and Goku clashing 2-3 times would've destroyed the universe

How am I talking nonsense that's what was said
"If those two clash against each other like this a few more times...People, Planets, Gods like us, even Beerus-sama and Goku.. Will be completely destroyed! There will be nothing left in the universe. It will turn in to vaccum made out of nothingness."
No the universe would not be destroyed it would remain elder kai clearly said so himself lol.
how will the universe remain if there's nothing in it?

is that not a destroyed universe?
Universe - all existing matter and space considered as a whole; the cosmos. The universe is believed to be at least 10 billion light years in diameter and contains a vast number of galaxies; it has been expanding since its creation in the Big Bang about 13 billion years ago.

So no the only thing they were capable of destroying was objects in the universe, the universe it's self as space will remain.
well that solely depends on your interpretation on destroying the universe

Destroying everything in the universe doesn't contradict what Old Kai says about the universe will be destroyed
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Even Boo can distort space-time. I really wouldn't put it past Beerus to be capable of eliminating space-time. Most people would agree that destroying all matter and energy in the universe would constitute destroying the universe. I've personally never come across a feat where someone destroyed all of space-time along with the matter and energy.
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If nothing's in the universe, it becomes a empty of anything. Nebulae, planets, stars, life, matter etc. Pretty much everything's gone.
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Oct 6 2015, 07:23 PM
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Oct 6 2015, 06:54 PM
So a lot of dbz fans have been claiming that Goku can now destroy the universe. I've decided not to watch Dragon Ball Super because it's Super crappy and it's slowly ruining dbz for me, but i decided to watch 2 latest episodes and i'm gonna explain why that feat was taken out of contest :)

"The universe is gonna crumble".

crumble - break or fall apart into small fragments, especially as part of a process of deterioration.
We all know that it's not possible for Universe to crumble because it's not an object so what King Kai was referring to was the objects in the universe such as galaxies, stars, planets etc.

"If those two clash against each other like this a few more times...People, Planets, Gods like us, even Beerus-sama and Goku.. Will be completely destroyed! There will be nothing left in the universe. It will turn in to vaccum made out of nothingness.
Now as we see Elder Kai mentions that if they keep punching each other 3 times the universe will turn in to vaccum of nothingness which means the universe will simply be empty. It's a pretty impressive feat overall but people are taking it out of it's context.

Also huge con about this feat. Goku needs about 1 minute to power up so he can preform something like this and many fictional characters can kill him within that 1 minute.

Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong or missed something i'm up for a discussion.
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I take it you dislike Dragon Ball despite claiming Super's ruining it. Goku don't have to power up for him to be able to take on most of the fiction fan base. At bear minimum, he's a solar system buster and at max is universal.

Only people of similar strength or hax abilities can fight this man. Then he has regeneration now too (not as effective as Namekian's or Buu's but a plus nonetheless).

Goku ain't unbeatable, but he can definitely whoop a few of the strongest Supermen a***'s now. No bias.

Edit: And dudes mftl too.
Seriously what is wrong with you people i never said he can't destroy the universe i said that people misunderstood what Elder Kai meant with "destroying the universe"
Also the Superman part depends on which superman we're talking about because i'm pretty sure C.A Superman can solo dbz universe on his own taking the fact that he is supported by story itself.
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I don't think anyone misunderstood that. It's clear that they were eliminating all matter and energy...
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Oct 6 2015, 07:25 PM
Even Boo can distort space-time. I really wouldn't put it past Beerus to be capable of eliminating space-time. Most people would agree that destroying all matter and energy in the universe would constitute destroying the universe. I've personally never come across a feat where someone destroyed all of space-time along with the matter and energy.
The only reason boo was capable of doing that was because he was in heyperbolic time chamber (or smth like that). It's not really usable feat because he never used it in a fight or anything else. And Beerus maybe can do that but all i'm saying is that he did no't show that he can because this feat clearly never states that space and time will be destroyed.

"I've personally never come across a feat where someone destroyed all of space-time along with the matter and energy. " there are thousands of characters like this in dc and marvel you just have to look for them.
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