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What is your multiplier for Super Saiyan?
Topic Started: Oct 6 2015, 01:12 AM (1,300 Views)
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Ive been out of the game for a while, so I'm curious as to see what you guys use as your SSJ multipliers.

Currently I'd go something like:

Namek transformation: 50x Base
Android arc and beyond: 10x Base (might even go to 5x)
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I generally like to stick with 50 for the whole series. Maybe make an exception for fusions.
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50x normal form, like it's always been. There's nothing to suggest it ever changed, or at least nothing strong enough to counter the guidebooks persistently assigning it a 50x boost.
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Pre master:

Ssj: x50
SSj G1: x75
Ssj G2: x100

Post master:

SSj1: x10 from base to SSj1 form, but x50 for full power.
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I have witnessed fans citing SSJ Goku's registered power level of 3000 Kiris as a possible counterargument to the 50x multiplier. If the scaling system of Babidi's power measurement devices scaled linearly as they appear to do with normal scouters, that would make Base Goku have only 60 Kiris. You can understand why people would have issues with that estimate, given his performance against Yakon who has a confirmed reading of 800 Kiris.
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50x or 4x.
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Oct 6 2015, 01:41 AM
I have witnessed fans citing SSJ Goku's registered power level of 3000 Kiris as a possible counterargument to the 50x multiplier. If the scaling system of Babidi's power measurement devices scaled linearly as they appear to do with normal scouters, that would make Base Goku have only 60 Kiris. You can understand why people would have issues with that estimate, given his performance against Yakon who has a confirmed reading of 800 Kiris.
The Daizenshuu states that Babidi was using an older Kiri meter which capped out at 3,000. It's highly likely that Goku was well beyond that,

There is also another entry that states that it takes 200 kiri to destroy a planet, meaning that Saiyan arc Vegeta is 200 Kiri. I think it's enough evidence to show that the system isn't linear.
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50 times, with the exception of Gotenks(Post ROSAT). I have this strange hypothesis that assumes Gotenks cannot go beyond 50 times his base since Goten and Trunks cannot achieve Super Saiyan 2 or Super Saiyan 3 individually.
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I can work with 50x with pretty much everyone but Gotenks. Once you get to Gotenks, you kind of get into an awkward setting. You have a point where its heavily implied (almost stupid to think otherwise) that at the very least he's above Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku and at the very least was recognized by everyone as being pretty darn strong. In fact it was only Piccolo who noted that he couldn't defeat Boo while everyone else was like...yeah sure...he might win.

But when he first transforms, while Piccolo is confident in power he starts talking about speed like this is a huge issue. If Gotenks has a 50x multiplier, PIccolo doesn't need to ask jack. You win Gotenks, end of story, go out and beat the spit out of Boo. We don't need to check your speed when logically your power should be multifolds above Boo and by virtue your speed should be too.
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It's definitely 50x boost through Namek - Android arc.

However, there is some chance that the Base and SSJ Boost had decreased in the Boo saga. Such as SSJ Goku being at 3,000 kiri, while Yakon was 800 who Base Goku was smacking around with. There is also the fact with Gotenks.
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Oct 6 2015, 10:44 PM
It's definitely 50x boost through Namek - Android arc.

However, there is some chance that the Base and SSJ Boost had decreased in the Boo saga. Such as SSJ Goku being at 3,000 kiri, while Yakon was 800 who Base Goku was smacking around with. There is also the fact with Gotenks.


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Oct 6 2015, 01:41 AM
I have witnessed fans citing SSJ Goku's registered power level of 3000 Kiris as a possible counterargument to the 50x multiplier. If the scaling system of Babidi's power measurement devices scaled linearly as they appear to do with normal scouters, that would make Base Goku have only 60 Kiris. You can understand why people would have issues with that estimate, given his performance against Yakon who has a confirmed reading of 800 Kiris.
The Daizenshuu states that Babidi was using an older Kiri meter which capped out at 3,000. It's highly likely that Goku was well beyond that,

There is also another entry that states that it takes 200 kiri to destroy a planet, meaning that Saiyan arc Vegeta is 200 Kiri. I think it's enough evidence to show that the system isn't linear.


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Oct 6 2015, 01:41 AM
I have witnessed fans citing SSJ Goku's registered power level of 3000 Kiris as a possible counterargument to the 50x multiplier. If the scaling system of Babidi's power measurement devices scaled linearly as they appear to do with normal scouters, that would make Base Goku have only 60 Kiris. You can understand why people would have issues with that estimate, given his performance against Yakon who has a confirmed reading of 800 Kiris.
I like this reasoning because it seems sound.

If we consider his performance against Yakon, one could consider a 5x multiplier, putting base Goku at 600 kiri, which is 25% weaker than Yakon. I don't see this as unreasonable.

It's entirely possible that Goku's peak while in Super Saiyan is much closer to 50x, but his regular power in SSj isn't that high. I've always considered the power of SSj after mastery is much more flexible than during early transformations. Due to the laxed state, the baseline power is scaled back, but the ability to amp ki attacks returns.

I've also always considered transformations as having a resting ki, just like base form. Goku's power wouldn't constantly be at 50x, but when he really gets going, he can get it that high.
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