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The Feats and Bravery of Krillin
Topic Started: Oct 5 2015, 04:21 PM (1,658 Views)
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Oct 5 2015, 05:25 PM
Piccolo was telling the truth though, he wouldn't have made a difference. Krillin might have felt bad for it, but it was still the right thing to do. In my opinion "coward" doesn't mean "somebody who blindly throws himself into a battle he know he can't make a dent in", that just means being reckless.

Even Piccolo calls Trunks an idiot for charging into the battle. And then Vegeta calls them all idiots also for charging in.

Also note that when the androids come back up to the mountain Krillin does raise his fists in a fighting stance. He was going to fight if he had no other choice, but he did have a choice, and his choice saved not only his life, but the lives of everyone.
Not really.

Does that mean Future Gohan was reckless? No he was defying in the face of despair (see what I did there). He saved Trunks life, by giving him the last senzu-bean. Even after saving him from Android #18 & therefore losing an arm, too. I know that isn't really in the manga & is the TV Special, but still.

Krillin has shown his moments of cowardice, and this was one of them.

Krillin was one of the super-warriors of the earth & one of the few people on earth who could have helped, yet he stayed back and watch them get owned. What if they got killed, I doubt he could have done anything if that happened.

Also in DragonBall in the Red-Ribbon-Army, just about the time the place is about to cave in Krillin asks Bulma, what about Goku, she says her own life is more important to her & Krillin more or less agrees & leaves too. So brave.
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Does that mean Future Gohan was reckless? No he was defying in the face of despair (see what I did there). He saved Trunks life, by giving him the last senzu-bean. Even after saving him from Android #18 & therefore losing an arm, too. I know that isn't really in the manga & is the TV Special, but still.

Gohan giving Trunks the senzu bean wasn't reckless since (as far as he knew) one of them was going to die, and he'd rather it be him than Trunks. On the other hand if Krillin joined then they'd all have died. If you mean Gohan fighting the androids, he thought he was stronger than them, but then #17 told him he'd held back his power.

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Krillin was one of the super-warriors of the earth & one of the few people on earth who could have helped, yet he stayed back and watch them get owned. What if they got killed, I doubt he could have done anything if that happened.

He couldn't have helped. That was a huge point that was even said by Piccolo. And likewise Piccolo and Vegeta both agreed the others were being idiots.

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Also in DragonBall in the Red-Ribbon-Army, just about the time the place is about to cave in Krillin asks Bulma, what about Goku, she says her own life is more important to her & Krillin more or less agrees & leaves too. So brave.

Yes, a 13 year old Krillin is probably going to have some issues with bravery, especially if you compare him to a fully grown adult Krillin. That's both being a child, and character development. The scene didn't even play out like that, Krillin actually tells Bulma to wait for Goku. Bulma wanted to leave straight away, but Krillin tells her to wait for Goku. He even gets mad at her and tells he "you can't abandon Goku". Sure Bulma does say "Whose life matters most? Mine!" and then asks his opinion ad he says "W-well yeah, but...", the expression on his face shows he's only agreeing that Bulma is the most important person because she's clearly angry (because why would Krillin think she's more important than himself and Goku when he barely knows her), and men agreeing with angry women even when they're mad is a recurring theme in Dragon Ball. The fact he adds "but" means he wasn't ready to accept that they should leave right then, despite Bulma thinking saving herself is more important than waiting for Goku. Krillin never once says they should leave early in that scene.

That scene does the exact opposite of what you imply, it shows Krillin as someone who is extremely loyal, and would risk his own life to make sure his friend was saved rather than saving himself as soon as possible. It's one of the scenes that highlights Krillin's bravery, it's Bulma who's the coward there.
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Does that mean Future Gohan was reckless? No he was defying in the face of despair (see what I did there). He saved Trunks life, by giving him the last senzu-bean. Even after saving him from Android #18 & therefore losing an arm, too. I know that isn't really in the manga & is the TV Special, but still.

Gohan giving Trunks the senzu bean wasn't reckless since (as far as he knew) one of them was going to die, and he'd rather it be him than Trunks. On the other hand if Krillin joined then they'd all have died. If you mean Gohan fighting the androids, he thought he was stronger than them, but then #17 told him he'd held back his power.


That's not what I meant. I meant he fought the androids courageously, and still even when he was about to die gave Trunks the last senzu-bean. In the TV Special it's implied Gohan fought the androids more than once before even the first fight we see, because Android #17 says something like "Not you guys again." & Bulma & Ox-King also say something about Gohan fighting the androids. He knew he didn't have a chance yet he still fought them. That's courageous. Krillin's a coward.

& even at the end like I said Gohan gave Trunks the last senzu-bean & his arm was gone after that. Krillin didn't even try fighting the androids or try to help his friends.

Why didn't he try a Kienzan? I mean it's not like he can at-least give it a try, especially since the androids can't sense energy.

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Krillin was one of the super-warriors of the earth & one of the few people on earth who could have helped, yet he stayed back and watch them get owned. What if they got killed, I doubt he could have done anything if that happened.

He couldn't have helped. That was a huge point that was even said by Piccolo. And likewise Piccolo and Vegeta both agreed the others were being idiots.


Piccolo agreed, but at the same time he was also rushing in to help Trunks & Vegeta against the androids. That's courageous. He know he wasn't being an idiot, but that didn't stop him from trying to help.

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Also in DragonBall in the Red-Ribbon-Army, just about the time the place is about to cave in Krillin asks Bulma, what about Goku, she says her own life is more important to her & Krillin more or less agrees & leaves too. So brave.

Yes, a 13 year old Krillin is probably going to have some issues with bravery, especially if you compare him to a fully grown adult Krillin. That's both being a child, and character development. The scene didn't even play out like that, Krillin actually tells Bulma to wait for Goku. Bulma wanted to leave straight away, but Krillin tells her to wait for Goku. He even gets mad at her and tells he "you can't abandon Goku". Sure Bulma does say "Whose life matters most? Mine!" and then asks his opinion ad he says "W-well yeah, but...", the expression on his face shows he's only agreeing that Bulma is the most important person because she's clearly angry (because why would Krillin think she's more important than himself and Goku when he barely knows her), and men agreeing with angry women even when they're mad is a recurring theme in Dragon Ball. The fact he adds "but" means he wasn't ready to accept that they should leave right then, despite Bulma thinking saving herself is more important than waiting for Goku. Krillin never once says they should leave early in that scene.

That scene does the exact opposite of what you imply, it shows Krillin as someone who is extremely loyal, and would risk his own life to make sure his friend was saved rather than saving himself as soon as possible. It's one of the scenes that highlights Krillin's bravery, it's Bulma who's the coward there.


Krillin's got a funny face after Bulma says that. Almost as if to say, well you are kind-of right, but... (I don't want to look like Oolong).

Also when she said "who's life is more important?" or something like that, he says well-yeah, because I think he was meaning his own life not hers, like "do you value your own life more" kind of thing. Very brave, l0l.

Yamcha gets a lot of criticism for the same s***, yet when I watch, Yamcha has always been more brave than Krillin.

In DragonBall even with a broken f***ing leg Yamcha tried to fight against King-Piccolo & tried to help Tenshinhan. I doubt Krillin would have tried.

When Goku was an Oozaru, instead of running away he returned Goku back to normal.

When Goku was too hungry to move at the beginning Yamcha came running-back to get Goku & run away.

When Oozaru Goku was running towards them, he tried to get that huge rock off Bulma even when at-first he couldn't even move it. But he did it at the last moment. He could have run-away there too.

The only time when Yamcha kind-of looked like a coward was against the Androids, but that's understandable.
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Why didn't Tenshinhan try a Kikoho? He should know that he's nowhere near the Saiyans when it comes to regular strength.

Krillin knew damn well that he wouldn't be able to make a difference in any way. Tenshinhan, on the other hand, lives for fighting, and his honour as a fighter wouldn't let him turn away from the Androids.

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Oct 5 2015, 06:08 PM
Why didn't Tenshinhan try a Kikoho? He should know that he's nowhere near the Saiyans when it comes to regular strength.

Krillin knew damn well that he wouldn't be able to make a difference in any way. Tenshinhan, on the other hand, lives for fighting, and his honour as a fighter wouldn't let him turn away from the Androids.

Because it takes time to charge, and why would he risk his life before even trying. The Kikoho requires Life-Force, so I doubt he wanted to use it just like that.

The Kienzan doesn't need any of that, just sometime to charge.
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Why didn't Tenshinhan try a Kikoho? He should know that he's nowhere near the Saiyans when it comes to regular strength.

Krillin knew damn well that he wouldn't be able to make a difference in any way. Tenshinhan, on the other hand, lives for fighting, and his honour as a fighter wouldn't let him turn away from the Androids.

Because it takes time to charge, and why would he risk his life before even trying. The Kikoho requires Life-Force, so I doubt he wanted to use it just like that.

The Kienzan doesn't need any of that, just sometime to charge.
That was the perfect opportunity for him to use the Kikoho, yet he didn't.

He didn't use the Kienzan because it would be a waste of ki. Vegeta heard it coming from behind him and given the fact that there were two of them there, with both of them being unbelievably faster/stronger than him, it would've been useless.
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Why didn't Tenshinhan try a Kikoho? He should know that he's nowhere near the Saiyans when it comes to regular strength.

Krillin knew damn well that he wouldn't be able to make a difference in any way. Tenshinhan, on the other hand, lives for fighting, and his honour as a fighter wouldn't let him turn away from the Androids.

Because it takes time to charge, and why would he risk his life before even trying. The Kikoho requires Life-Force, so I doubt he wanted to use it just like that.

The Kienzan doesn't need any of that, just sometime to charge.
That was the perfect opportunity for him to use the Kikoho, yet he didn't.

He didn't use the Kienzan because it would be a waste of ki. Vegeta heard it coming from behind him and given the fact that there were two of them there, with both of them being unbelievably faster/stronger than him, it would've been useless.
The Kikoho has a risk, though while using it the Kienzan doesn't. Even if he missed, at-least he tried.

Vegeta thought there was someone else too. He says that himself. He figured that there was a plan. That helped.

The androids were busy fighting the other Fighters, that would have been a good opportunity to at-least try & use the attack.
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Why didn't Tenshinhan try a Kikoho? He should know that he's nowhere near the Saiyans when it comes to regular strength.

Krillin knew damn well that he wouldn't be able to make a difference in any way. Tenshinhan, on the other hand, lives for fighting, and his honour as a fighter wouldn't let him turn away from the Androids.

Because it takes time to charge, and why would he risk his life before even trying. The Kikoho requires Life-Force, so I doubt he wanted to use it just like that.

The Kienzan doesn't need any of that, just sometime to charge.
That was the perfect opportunity for him to use the Kikoho, yet he didn't.

He didn't use the Kienzan because it would be a waste of ki. Vegeta heard it coming from behind him and given the fact that there were two of them there, with both of them being unbelievably faster/stronger than him, it would've been useless.
The Kikoho has a risk, though while using it the Kienzan doesn't. Even if he missed, at-least he tried.

Vegeta thought there was someone else too. He says that himself. He figured that there was a plan. That helped.

The androids were busy fighting the other Fighters, that would have been a good opportunity to at-least try & use the attack.
He's shown to be able to use the Kikoho just fine, even back in the 22nd Budokai. Launching one wouldn't have done that much harm.

The androids weren't exerting themselves at all. If they were engaged in a heated battle with fighters who were almost as strong as them, I could buy that, but there's no way they were too distracted to notice a Kienzan.
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Oct 5 2015, 06:30 PM
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Oct 5 2015, 06:27 PM
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Oct 5 2015, 06:25 PM
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Oct 5 2015, 06:11 PM
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Why didn't Tenshinhan try a Kikoho? He should know that he's nowhere near the Saiyans when it comes to regular strength.

Krillin knew damn well that he wouldn't be able to make a difference in any way. Tenshinhan, on the other hand, lives for fighting, and his honour as a fighter wouldn't let him turn away from the Androids.

Because it takes time to charge, and why would he risk his life before even trying. The Kikoho requires Life-Force, so I doubt he wanted to use it just like that.

The Kienzan doesn't need any of that, just sometime to charge.
That was the perfect opportunity for him to use the Kikoho, yet he didn't.

He didn't use the Kienzan because it would be a waste of ki. Vegeta heard it coming from behind him and given the fact that there were two of them there, with both of them being unbelievably faster/stronger than him, it would've been useless.
The Kikoho has a risk, though while using it the Kienzan doesn't. Even if he missed, at-least he tried.

Vegeta thought there was someone else too. He says that himself. He figured that there was a plan. That helped.

The androids were busy fighting the other Fighters, that would have been a good opportunity to at-least try & use the attack.
He's shown to be able to use the Kikoho just fine, even back in the 22nd Budokai. Launching one wouldn't have done that much harm.

The androids weren't exerting themselves at all. If they were engaged in a heated battle with fighters who were almost as strong as them, I could buy that, but there's no way they were too distracted to notice a Kienzan.
He used one, but he also said he wasn't going to use it at full-power. Against Nappa for example he used all of his energy & died. That's what he'd at-least need to do against the androids.

In the manga the Kienzan doesn't take nearly as long to charge as it does in the anime, he could have easily tried against Android #17 when he had Tenshinhan in a head-lock. They wouldn't have been as much on their guard as if they were serious, so it might have hit.
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