I hate it when "normal" people try to debate Dragon Ball with me.

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I hate it when "normal" people try to debate Dragon Ball with me.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Oct 2 2015, 06:52 PM Post #1
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	I got into a debate today on Facebook with some guy who claims to know a lot about Dragon Ball. There's an image circling around on Facebook that says, "Did you know: At some point every Z fighter was stronger than Goku." False. Yamcha and Krillin were never "stronger" than Goku. I stated this in the comments and some guy is trying to argue using wiki sources that state Yamcha was about to win the fight with Goku at the beginning of Dragon Ball. I conceded that, yes, Yamcha may have won given the opportunity, but only because Goku was starving. Had Goku been fully focused on the fight, he would have won against Yamcha. And I'm pretty sure that Goku and Krillin were equals at some point in time, but Krillin was never stronger than Goku. It's been a while since I've read or watched early Dragon Ball, so let me know if I'm wrong. If I'm right, how can I shut this guy up?



lazerbem	Oct 2 2015, 06:59 PM Post #2
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	No need to be elitist about it. Everyone was like that at some point. Anyway, I can't help you in proving or disproving that, DB isn't my thing
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~~StrawHatCrew~~	Oct 2 2015, 07:02 PM Post #3
Posts: 4,004 Group: Suspended Member #9,708 Joined: July 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball (Z), Captain Tsubasa, Naruto (Original) Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Dr. Slump, One-Piece	Yamcha might have been higher (actually very likely) than Goku after his tail was cut-off, but before training with Master-Roshi. So yeah very short time.



+ Clearin	Oct 2 2015, 07:02 PM Post #4
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Krillin could be stronger than Goku when the fight with Freeza started, as Goku was at 90,000 until his Zenkai kicked in, and Krillin's power level was continuously growing. Yamcha on the other hand never surpassed Goku. Goku proved himself to be stronger in the Pilaf saga when the two fought each other at their max strength Goku clearly had the upperhand. In the 21st Budokai Yamcha got easily beaten by Jackie Chun, who Goku was on par with. Then later he got beat by Mummy Man who Goku easily beat. At the 22nd Budokai Yamcha was stated to be about equal to Krillin, whom Goku beat (not to mention he lost to Tien, who Goku fought on par with). At the 23rd Budokai Roshi says Goku, Kami, Tien and Piccolo are the four strongest in the world. At the start of Z their powerlevels are read out and Goku's is higher than Yamcha's. I won't even bother with the rest of the series, you get the point now. Also who counts as a "Z fighter"? Yajirobe and Chaozu were also never stronger than Goku. Tien might not have ever been stronger, as far as I know they're suggested to be equals in their fight in the 22nd Budokai, and Goku only ever got stronger than Tien from there.



+ Solid Snake	Oct 2 2015, 07:04 PM Post #5
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	lazerbem Oct 2 2015, 06:59 PM No need to be elitist about it. Everyone was like that at some point. Anyway, I can't help you in proving or disproving that, DB isn't my thing Clearly it isn't lol. OT: But ya right I believe. Yamcha got his a*** kicked by a not hungry Goku and Krillin at best was a decent rival, but neither never surpassed him.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Oct 2 2015, 07:07 PM Post #6
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	lazerbem Oct 2 2015, 06:59 PM No need to be elitist about it. Everyone was like that at some point. Anyway, I can't help you in proving or disproving that, DB isn't my thing I'm not being an elitist, I'm just in an a***** mood today.



+ Pyrus	Oct 2 2015, 07:11 PM Post #7
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I don't see how that's elitist. It's simply pointing out that a "fact" is wrong.
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Sigs	Oct 2 2015, 07:26 PM Post #8
Posts: 15 Group: New Member Member #12,533 Joined: August 4, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I call them normies :P



lazerbem	Oct 2 2015, 09:00 PM Post #9
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Pyrus Oct 2 2015, 07:11 PM I don't see how that's elitist. It's simply pointing out that a "fact" is wrong. The "normal" comment implies that one is abnormal. It's certainly true, but it's rather crass, imo
	Crazy cat cults in the woods


Darker	Oct 2 2015, 09:13 PM Post #10
The Lord of the Dark Posts: 15,357 Group: Member Member #11,968 Joined: January 7, 2015 Gender Male Country Spain	Yamcha started out pretty strong and he nearly defeated Goku when he was young, but just because Goku was tired and hungry. Krillin started out a lot weaker than Goku when he first arrived to Roshi's house. He did knock out a Saber-toothed cat with a karate chop. But as we all know Goku could do that while blindfolded. Krillin got scared and wreckless and attacked the poor feline. Ten Shin Han was probably stronger at some point than Goku, but when they fought one another Goku definetely had the upper hand. Same with Piccolo (aside from Piccolo getting stronger for a few hours when he fused with Nail and Kami) and probably the same with Vegeta, even though the Kaio-Ken saved his a*** with the latter the first time they fought. Even though Vegeta isn't from DB, he's from Z, but whatever.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Oct 2 2015, 09:25 PM Post #11
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I know what I'm going to say will come off as elitist, but just ignore him. Simply put, the people who are set in there ways, like this guy seems to be, simply aren't worth your time. Clearin Krillin could be stronger than Goku when the fight with Freeza started, as Goku was at 90,000 until his Zenkai kicked in, and Krillin's power level was continuously growing. But, Kaioken tho... Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Oct 2 2015, 09:27 PM.
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TheGmGoken	Oct 2 2015, 09:28 PM Post #12
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	Well I'll just ignore the jackass but the casual DB fan don't care for stuff like us. Can't blame them. Though the title is a bit elitist



CamoDBZ	Oct 3 2015, 12:37 AM Post #13
Posts: 101 Group: Member Member #11,566 Joined: August 2, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime DragonBall/AvatarTheLastAirbender What Browser do you use? Microsoft Edge Favourite Manga Haven't Read any yet	We didnt see every minute of their training, so we can only assume. Yamcha technically was stringer since he is older than him. So when Goku was born, Yamcha was "stringer". But, like every character, Goku somehow makes huge, unrealistic gains to put him above the rest.



* Ketchup Revenge	Oct 3 2015, 01:30 AM Post #14
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Yamcha was "stronger" than Goku for a fleeting moment during their first fight, but it was only because Goku was hungry, which doesn't really apply in a case like this. With that same logic, one could argue that 19 was stronger than Super Saiyan Goku. Another factor was involved (the heart virus) that made it seem this way toward the tail end of the fight. And Krillin has never proven to be stronger than Goku at any point in the series. My favorite "facts" are the outrageous claims by the Brolytards that have virtually no basis in evidence. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Oct 3 2015, 01:32 AM.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Oct 3 2015, 05:03 AM Post #15
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Quote: Though the title is a bit elitist Controversial titles get views tho



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