How strong is Kaioshin?

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How strong is Kaioshin?
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+ Solid Snake	Oct 2 2015, 03:42 PM Post #16
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Oct 2 2015, 03:51 PM Post #17
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Solid Snake Oct 2 2015, 03:42 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Oct 2 2015, 03:27 PM Ssj3vegito96 Oct 2 2015, 03:21 PM What about them not being able to sense gods? Piccolo might've known him by reputation and not know exactly how strong he is How would that make sense? He doesn't know who Kaioshin is at this point. In Super Piccolo has no problem fighting Birusu despite not knowing him. Supreme Kai>beerus confirmed
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Oct 2 2015, 03:58 PM Post #18
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Ssj3vegito96 Oct 2 2015, 03:37 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Oct 2 2015, 03:27 PM Ssj3vegito96 Oct 2 2015, 03:21 PM What about them not being able to sense gods? Piccolo might've known him by reputation and not know exactly how strong he is How would that make sense? He doesn't know who Kaioshin is at this point. What? He's assuming he's extremely powerful based on him being a supreme Kai since he can't sense him. What's wrong with that? Someone had a counter argument to this I forgot what it was. It was a while ago But he doesn't know he's a Kaioshin so that doesn't make sense.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Oct 2 2015, 04:00 PM Post #19
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Well he has to know something about him. Why was he so afraid of him? Was it because of his mohawk?
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Oct 2 2015, 04:05 PM Post #20
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Ssj3vegito96 Oct 2 2015, 04:00 PM Well he has to know something about him. Why was he so afraid of him? Was it because of his mohawk? He's hesitant to fight because he's clearly a powerful presence. He may not be able to sense what he's truly capable of, but he seems to be able to tell he's super strong, and this is reinforced by the Daizenshuu 7. Quote: Because some view Piccolo as being stronger than the base Saiyans, and the base Saiyans as stronger than Kaioshin. Also Viz provides a better quote during the Budokai in my opinion. And I'd argue those folks should probably change their perspective. The base Saiyans can be stronger than both of them. Who cares what Viz has to say? The translation provided in the Strength Checker is more accurate. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Oct 2 2015, 04:09 PM.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Oct 2 2015, 04:16 PM Post #21
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	How would he know for a fact he's at least as strong as himself? This is kind of going against authors intent though. I'm sure toriyama wanted supreme Kai to be stronger
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Oct 2 2015, 04:19 PM Post #22
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Ssj3vegito96 Oct 2 2015, 04:16 PM How would he know for a fact he's at least as strong as himself? This is kind of going against authors intent though. I'm sure toriyama wanted supreme Kai to be stronger He wouldn't know, he just has a strong feeling that he is, and the Daizenshuu 7 backs that up.
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* Yu Narukami	Oct 2 2015, 04:21 PM Post #23
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Chapter: 438 (DBZ 244), P3.4 Context: Goku looks at Kaioshin and Kibito Goku: “Doesn’t look like there’s anyone significant besides those two…” Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P10.2 Context: as Piccolo and Kaioshin's match begins Vegeta: “We’ll finally know: just how much is his battle power, which we haven’t even been able to estimate?...” They can sense Kaioshin to a certain degree. If they couldn't sense him at all, he'd be lumped in with Spopovich and Yamu when they comment on not being able to sense anything from them.



+ Ssj3vegito96	Oct 2 2015, 04:23 PM Post #24
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	They could've estimated their power level based on their movement. They never got see supreme Kai fight
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* Yu Narukami	Oct 2 2015, 04:27 PM Post #25
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Ssj3vegito96 Oct 2 2015, 04:23 PM They could've estimated their power level based on their movement. They never got see supreme Kai fight Chapter: 441 (DBZ 247), P4.4 Context: as Videl fights Spopovitch Goku: “Like I thought, that Spopovitch guy is weird…He seems too fine, despite the fact that he should have taken so much damage, and I can’t sense any life from him…” Note: ‘life’, in this case is seiki, written with the kanji for ‘life’ and ‘ki’. If it was the same for Kaioshin, he would've been mentioned here as well. Instead, all we get is Vegeta saying they can't get a read on his battle power, meaning that it's possible that they could sense something. Otherwise, why would Goku specify Kibito and Kaioshin when he's talking about significant fighters, and how would Gohan know that he won't be able to suitably hide his power? Chapter: 443 (DBZ 249), P9.1-3 Context: as Gohan prepares to fight Kibito Gohan: “Man, this is a predicament. Bulma told me that if people found out my true power, there'd be a big commotion and it'd become hard for me to go to school anywhere. That's why I disguised myself, but...He doesn’t seem like an opponent that I can beat while suitably covering up [my true power].” Note: That last sentence is one of those that’s kinda hard to translate literally. “Covering up” (gomakasu) is in the sense of faking it or deceiving someone, not simply in the sense of wearing a disguise, and in context he's almost certainly talking about covering up his true power (since that's what he mentions disguising himself in order to prevent people from finding out about). So essentially, Gohan doesn’t think he can win while still covering up his actual power. Hence Viz’s ‘by accident’ being in quotation marks: they mean the sort of thing Shen did, hiding his power by making it look like he won by pure accident. So I can see what Viz was going for with their translation, but I think it is kinda confusing.



+ Ssj3vegito96	Oct 2 2015, 05:53 PM Post #26
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	So they could sense his life but not his ki. That's what you're saying right? But how does that help with knowing how strong someone is?
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SSJ	Oct 3 2015, 04:19 AM Post #27
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Just want to point out, if Piccolo was able to get a read on Kaioshin's power, why was nobody else able to? Why did Goku ask "was it that bad?" if Kaioshin was able to be sensed? Sensing his life force is one thing, but sensing his power is another.



FutureProtagonist	Oct 3 2015, 04:40 AM Post #28
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SSJ	Oct 3 2015, 04:57 AM Post #29
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	FutureProtagonist Oct 3 2015, 04:40 AM Kami visits the afterlife. Knowing about Kaioshins isn't unlikely. What does that have to do with sensing their power? That is obvious information as Piccolo states in the manga that he suspected that Kaioshin was a Grand Kaio.



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