FutureProtagonist

Oct 1 2015, 02:10 AM

It's not. That's the point. The South galaxy is just one galaxy.

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Oct 1 2015, 02:06 AM

Kyo

Oct 1 2015, 01:39 AM

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Oct 1 2015, 01:33 AM

Kyo

Sep 30 2015, 11:43 PM

Because it was labeled as the Southern Galaxy.

When? In movie 8? How is movie 8 relevant to Battle of Gods, Resurrection F, or Super?

No, it was in one of the recent movies. Rather than tanking credit for someone else's work, here is where I found it:

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=9197351&t=8547139

And what does this prove? Why the heck is Kyouka taking an unrealistic image from Gurren Lagann to prove his point? This is what a Galaxy looks like, zoomed out:

How is this any different from this?:

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The only time in the overall franchise that a galaxy is preceded by the word the, to my knowledge, is in Movie 8.

Kyo

Oct 1 2015, 03:08 AM

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Oct 1 2015, 02:06 AM

Kyo

Oct 1 2015, 01:39 AM

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Oct 1 2015, 01:33 AM

Kyo

Sep 30 2015, 11:43 PM

Because it was labeled as the Southern Galaxy.

When? In movie 8? How is movie 8 relevant to Battle of Gods, Resurrection F, or Super?

No, it was in one of the recent movies. Rather than tanking credit for someone else's work, here is where I found it:

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=9197351&t=8547139

And what does this prove? Why the heck is Kyouka taking an unrealistic image from Gurren Lagann to prove his point? This is what a Galaxy looks like, zoomed out:

How is this any different from this?:

Quadrant is never mentioned inside DBZ, so it makes sense to reference from outside to show what a quadrant would look like. That's neither here no there though.

Why did you post an example of a galaxy? We already know what a galaxy looks like, and have one drawn by Toei.

The second image you posted was already in Kyouka's post. It was the image I was referring to when I saying it was the North galaxy zoomed out. Do you have any evidence that it isn't the North Galaxy? Most evidence implies that it is. I couldn't prove that it's the North galaxy, given the fact that the word prove is fairly loaded, but the evidence seems to point in the direction that it is.

There's only one Daizenshuu entry that seems to indicate otherwise, and it makes more sense to disregard that for the other books that don't support it.

Herms

 

It’s not until the Boo arc that Kaio’s line is expanded on. While Goku trains in the afterlife for the 25th Tenkaichi Budoukai, the South Kaio appears to observe his training. Rather than “galaxies”, the South Kaio talks about “Areas” (エリア/eria). Goku is said to be the first or second strongest warrior from the North Area, and South Kaio mentions his own South Area (in Viz, “Area” isn’t used, and they simply say “the North” and “the South”). It’s not clear how Areas relate to galaxies. Earth is also said to be in the North Area, so Areas aren’t just some division for the afterlife.

Kyo

 

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The only time in the overall franchise that a galaxy is preceded by the word the, to my knowledge, is in Movie 8.

Chapter: 331 (DBZ 137), P3.5
Freeza: “It’s an honor that my name should be known on this planet so far removed from the rest of the galaxy…However, unfortunately you don’t seem to know that I have the greatest power in the universe…”

Ssj3vegito96

Oct 1 2015, 03:34 AM

So how big are these galaxies if there are only four? Perhaps this universe busting feat isn't as great as we thought? I mean it's still four galaxies lol which is impressive either way but still

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Oct 1 2015, 03:26 AM

Kyo

Oct 1 2015, 03:08 AM

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Oct 1 2015, 02:06 AM

Kyo

Oct 1 2015, 01:39 AM

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Oct 1 2015, 01:33 AM

Kyo

Sep 30 2015, 11:43 PM

Because it was labeled as the Southern Galaxy.

When? In movie 8? How is movie 8 relevant to Battle of Gods, Resurrection F, or Super?

No, it was in one of the recent movies. Rather than tanking credit for someone else's work, here is where I found it:

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=9197351&t=8547139

And what does this prove? Why the heck is Kyouka taking an unrealistic image from Gurren Lagann to prove his point? This is what a Galaxy looks like, zoomed out:

How is this any different from this?:

Quadrant is never mentioned inside DBZ, so it makes sense to reference from outside to show what a quadrant would look like. That's neither here no there though.

Why did you post an example of a galaxy? We already know what a galaxy looks like, and have one drawn by Toei.

The second image you posted was already in Kyouka's post. It was the image I was referring to when I saying it was the North galaxy zoomed out. Do you have any evidence that it isn't the North Galaxy? Most evidence implies that it is. I couldn't prove that it's the North galaxy, given the fact that the word prove is fairly loaded, but the evidence seems to point in the direction that it is.

There's only one Daizenshuu entry that seems to indicate otherwise, and it makes more sense to disregard that for the other books that don't support it.

No, that's not entirely true. The areas the Kaios' watch over are called exactly that, areas:

Herms

 

It’s not until the Boo arc that Kaio’s line is expanded on. While Goku trains in the afterlife for the 25th Tenkaichi Budoukai, the South Kaio appears to observe his training. Rather than “galaxies”, the South Kaio talks about “Areas” (エリア/eria). Goku is said to be the first or second strongest warrior from the North Area, and South Kaio mentions his own South Area (in Viz, “Area” isn’t used, and they simply say “the North” and “the South”). It’s not clear how Areas relate to galaxies. Earth is also said to be in the North Area, so Areas aren’t just some division for the afterlife.

I posted an example of a galaxy because the image Kyouka posted went about as far out as the picture I posted, so I don't see why he's using that as proof that there can only be one galaxy per quadrant. Furthermore, there's clearly material visible from all sides outside the galaxy. I'd say that's pretty sufficient evidence that there is more than just 1 galaxy per quadrant.
It's not necessarily the North Galaxy, it's probably a northern galaxy.

Kyo

 

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The only time in the overall franchise that a galaxy is preceded by the word the, to my knowledge, is in Movie 8.

Chapter: 331 (DBZ 137), P3.5
Freeza: “It’s an honor that my name should be known on this planet so far removed from the rest of the galaxy…However, unfortunately you don’t seem to know that I have the greatest power in the universe…”

Fair enough... I guess, but this doesn't address my main point.

Kyo

Oct 1 2015, 04:36 AM

That's still inconclusive. Herms says North Kaio was introduced as the lord of the North Galaxy. The usage was later swapped out to "area", because in the context of the afterlife, the lower worlds probably don't mean as much.

Kyouka's galaxy example was just to demonstrate in the case that someone believed that what was being shown in the pan out wasn't a galaxy that it most likely was.

Material outside the galaxy doesn't mean much unless the galaxies themselves were joined together. I don't doubt that they galaxies themselves can be labeled quadrants or areas; just disputing the line that there are infinitely many galaxies within those galaxies which isn't really supported.

Also I found the scene that AT supposedly sketched for the anime filler:



Then it just furthers the fact that the DB universe is miniaturized version of our own.

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Oct 1 2015, 11:17 AM

Kyo

Oct 1 2015, 04:36 AM

That's still inconclusive. Herms says North Kaio was introduced as the lord of the North Galaxy. The usage was later swapped out to "area", because in the context of the afterlife, the lower worlds probably don't mean as much.

Kyouka's galaxy example was just to demonstrate in the case that someone believed that what was being shown in the pan out wasn't a galaxy that it most likely was.

Material outside the galaxy doesn't mean much unless the galaxies themselves were joined together. I don't doubt that they galaxies themselves can be labeled quadrants or areas; just disputing the line that there are infinitely many galaxies within those galaxies which isn't really supported.

Also I found the scene that AT supposedly sketched for the anime filler:



Then it just furthers the fact that the DB universe is miniaturized version of our own.

Herms specifically points out that that can be translated as lord of the north galaxies. The Japanese language does not have a way to pluralize something. I don't see how in the context of the afterlife, the lower worlds don't mean much. Seems like a pretty flimsy excuse as to why they switched to the term area.

Fair enough, but even then, in a hypothetical super massive galaxy, the galaxies within should be pretty far apart.

If the universe is really just 4 galaxies, there shouldn't be anything far outside it. I agree, there probably aren't super massive galaxies with a bunch of galaxies inside them, but I don't think there's sufficient evidence to assume that there are only 4 galaxies in general. Based on the pictures provided, it seems unlikely.

I don't see how it's any different from the images found in guidebooks, which very clearly aren't drawn to scale. Until given sufficient evidence, I see no reason to believe that the DB universe is smaller than our own.

Kyo

Oct 1 2015, 04:14 PM

Fine with the references inside the manga. I don't know Japanese so I wouldn't really have enough to counter. Still, it should be noted that Viz decided to translate as only 4 galaxies, and he is only coming to the possibility of more galaxies as an afterthought.

Even in the real world we meet random matter before entering another galaxy. Galaxies aren't joined together. You meet void space before entering another. And space that can be seen far beyond the galaxies is probably whatever else we see in AT's sketch.

The difference between the guidebook sketch and the anime zoom out is that one of them is intended to be seen as a map and other is meant to be real representation. Maps can often not be drawn to scale (but in terms of relative objects to each other, they are; see world maps, among others), but the anime filler one is clearly a zoom out of the world rather than just a map.