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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 25 2015, 10:33 PM (1,591 Views) | |
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Sep 25 2015, 10:33 PM Post #1 |
 
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Why did they? |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Sep 25 2015, 10:38 PM Post #2 |
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They can't transform, nor do they have the ability to get a lot stronger after near death experiences. They also lack the ability to fuse with their own kind permanently, like Namekians do. |
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Sep 25 2015, 10:40 PM Post #3 |
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Considering Earthlings as is are different in DragonBall than they are in the real world, it's kind-of sad that AT didn't really think of them having any special-abilities or anything. Even if not they could have learned the Genki-Dama. That could save them some day, but apparently they didn't bother. -_- |
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| + Kaboom | Sep 25 2015, 11:00 PM Post #4 |
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They don't have fancy race-exclusive power-increasing abilities (Saiyan healing boosts & transformations, Namekian mergers, etc), and their bodies probably don't have the durability to handle extreme training methods like super-high gravity. |
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| Darker | Sep 25 2015, 11:04 PM Post #5 |
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Ten Shin Han is still pretty bad-ass. To me, at least. He always got to shine in each arc, unlike Krillin and Yamcha who stopped being relevant during the Freeza/Cell arcs, and that's what counts, I think. |
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| + Clearin | Sep 25 2015, 11:21 PM Post #6 |
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Because they're not Goku. Even before we found out Goku was an alien (and before Toriyama thought of it) he was always the main focus of Dragon Ball. He always had to be better than everyone. He started out stronger than Krillin and Yamcha, and got much more progress in the Roshi training due to his high potential. Then he got trained by Korin to put him above the only other good guy who could match him (Roshi). From there Goku was basically always one step ahead of everyone in terms of training. Krillin and Yamcha have to train with Roshi but Goku trains on his own because he's so far surpassed them. Tien comes as a villain and matches Goku's power, but then more emphasis is placed on Goku's hidden powers by giving him the sacred water which puts him far above Tien, but then Tien has to train with Korin while Goku trains with Kami. It wasn't Goku being a Saiyan that put him so far ahead, it was long before Toriyama considered Goku being a saiyan that he was getting special treatment and his potential was put much higher than everyone else's. |
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| Thiln | Sep 25 2015, 11:23 PM Post #7 |
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If I had to make an hypothesis on the matter, it would be that the humans were rendered obsolete thanks to a number of factors. First, as PrinceofSaiyajins explained, they had no viable means of keeping pace with the same order of beings who were consistently known for receiving inconsistent power increases just for being on the brink of death. Sure, the humans had made radical increases in the past, but whatever they could gain wouldn't be able to match zenkais that allowed the Saiyans to gain a foothold pushing in the millions. Super Saiyan only exacerbated the problem because now not only do the human fighters have to try and somehow catch up with Base levels, they also have to somehow gain fifty times that if they hope to maintain pace with the Saiyans. There was just no way for the humans to accomplish that short of equipping them with Kaioken and introducing Potara an arc earlier. Secondly, my guess is that popularity helped play a factor. Goku was about the most popular character at the time, but I imagine Vegeta was probably climbing up in the ranks very quickly as well. Then you have Piccolo followed by Trunks, a recent introduction, who were also taking positions in the top 5 as well. None of this includes any villains who may have been widely popular as well. Krillin was maybe in the top 5-8 at best and he's been the most widely recognised human character since the beginning of the series. When you have a fanbase that's clamouring for more Trunks and Vegeta instead of Tien or Yamcha, that's going to throw a wedge in any prospects for those latter characters. You have some people dispute that the humans have been irrelevant since the beginning. They cite how DBZ actually helped give them some importance, albeit through non-combat roles like stalling Cell or being the defacto leader on Namek. To that, I can't really argue because they have a point with the humans always playing second fiddle to Goku. However, what proponents like myself argue for is not so much that they take the forefront on everything significant to the story, we want them to have a presence on what's helped define Dragonball and made it hugely popular - fighting. Sure, they would still be inferior to Goku, but then so are Gohan (this is unfortunate for me especially because he's my favourite character), Goten, and Trunks. In fact, the kids failed to have any long term benefit because they didn't kill Buu when given the opportunity. Pretty much the only substantial use they had was stalling Super Buu for Gohan and freeing Vegeta from Fat Buu. How many people do you bet would like to see Gotenks be relevant again despite his lacklustre record? Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Yamcha, Krillin, Tien, and Chiaotzu (yes, even the little psychic Chinese vampire-esque character) reclaiming some of their old ground. I would be satisfied with seeing them on comparable grounds with the Saiyan arc or the 23rd tournament where you could at least admit that they had a presence and were being treated as viable assets instead of unimportant jokes. |
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Sep 25 2015, 11:52 PM Post #8 |
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In DragonBall Z no-one has their kewl moments, though. Everyone is obsolete basically. They might just as well not be there, and it wouldn't affect the story now that's how bad it is. |
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| + Clearin | Sep 25 2015, 11:53 PM Post #9 |
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Krillin and Tien have their moments. Krillin has way more in DBZ honestly. |
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Sep 26 2015, 12:33 AM Post #10 |
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I don't know whether either of them had any of those kewl moments in DragonBall Z. Maybe moments of usefulness, but not really of kewlness. In DragonBall there were times were an entire episode or so might be focused on fights with Yamcha, Krillin or Tenshinhan (that's something that One-Piece does, too I think). They all had their moments of kewlness. Like the time Krillin fought Piccolo Jr. at the tournament or Yamcha fought Tenshinhan, obviously they were weaker but they showed how kewl they were & like I said entire episodes at times were focused on them & their fights. Whereas in DragonBall Z, they'd be lucky to have a one-on-one fight where they don't get outright one-shotted. That's something One-Piece gets credit for is how everyone in the crew gets their own fights, and moments of kewlness. In DragonBall Z sadly that isn't happening. |
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| Hearts | Sep 26 2015, 01:17 AM Post #11 |
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They certainly missed out on giving Tien the Kaioken
Edited by Hearts, Sep 26 2015, 01:18 AM.
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| Dilla_ | Sep 26 2015, 04:19 PM Post #12 |
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Because the likes of Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and even Piccolo are seen as more important characters and are way much stronger than them three. In Dragonball Yamcha, Krillin & Tenshinhan were relevant as it was only Goku. But then in Dragonball Z Gohan was born and both Piccolo and Vegeta turned good in a sense. Future Trunks appears as well, then both Trunks and Goten are born. All of these characters are much stronger than the likes of Yamcha, Krillin & Tenshinhan which is why they aren't as relevant which is a shame. Yamcha basically stops fighting after the Cell saga but Tenshinhan and Krillin are always still involved just look at Resurrection 'F' when the Z fighters are fighting Freza's guys. Unsure if people would want to see this in Super but it would be good to see Yamcha, Krillin & Tenshinhan all get power level increases. Obviously not to the same power level as the likes of Goku, Vegeta etc. The same could be said with Piccolo and even Gohan. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Sep 26 2015, 06:14 PM Post #13 |
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Slightly off the beaten path, but these 3 Earthlings are very powerful. I mean, lets be real for a sec, how many people even rival these 3 in the 7th universe? Yamcha himself is probably in the top 30, even taking into consideration the folks that have died throughout the series.
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Sep 26 2015, 06:14 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Sep 26 2015, 07:25 PM Post #14 |
 
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He doesn't deserve it as much as Krillin. 
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| FutureProtagonist | Sep 26 2015, 07:40 PM Post #15 |
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Well, out of Kaio's students he's the best choice.
Edited by FutureProtagonist, Sep 26 2015, 07:49 PM.
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