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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 25 2015, 05:05 AM (1,083 Views) | |
| EMIYA | Sep 25 2015, 05:05 AM Post #1 |
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I think its about time we got into a serious debate about all of this and its something that, quite frankly I'll be friendly but very blunt about since it is something I take very seriously. The question is, how positive or negative is the effect of religion on society? This isn't about whether or not you believe in it or not, this is about how you feel its overall effects are. Has the effects of religion gotten better, worse or remained stagnant and how do you think it will be over time? Father of sociology Emile Durkheim once said that society could not survive without religion. He made it almost explicit that society as we know it needed this aspect morality and religious state to continue. In fact he goes as far as to claim that society itself is essentially the deity that people worship and that the entirety of society becomes almost synonymous with religion. Regardless of the legitimacy of this idea, little can be denied that essentially every society has or has had some form of religious connotation. Not to say that I'm knowledgeable on every last mythology and religion but I feel almost certainly that there is a distinctive difference between religions of the past (those that become mythologies) and the religions of today. I make the argument that religions of the day were initially set down as a state of explanation. People needed a way to explain the world and that religion was separated from the prospect of control and morality. Even deities of ancient Greece were given much more human aspects that in many ways made them easier to comprehend for human nature. Now a days, religion has become less on an issue of explanation and more on an issue of control and power. Where as deities were often given human like characteristics, God is someone who is treated as beyond human comprehension. Other than the fact that science and knowledge has slowly but surely allowed for keener insights on the world, this aspect that religion no a days takes is something that I argue is greatly negating the impact on society. We have come to a point where we can question religion and that religion no longer is in a state of control as it was in the past. At the same time religion has turned into something that we essentially cannot grasp. God has been turned into something that was distinctive to be entirely above human nature. God wasn't supposed to be comprehended at all and that in turn has become a huge problem. If you cannot understand something, how can you follow it? Because of this, I make the argument that religion as it is now cannot survive and honestly, it hasn't. Science and technology has taken almost everything religion has done and literally turned it upside down. What we were completely ignorant on in the past is common knowledge today and its all because of science. In the act of religion trying to become more perfect and beyond the scope of human understanding,the more easily it has turned people away from it but lacks the aspect that science had. Science was something that wasn't about control, it was something human nature could understand it was shown on a consistent basis to work and be proven to work. A religion which remains very stagnant and doesn't progress cannot possibly survive in our ever growing society. Responses? |
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| Zoom | Sep 25 2015, 06:29 AM Post #2 |
 
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Hope that helps. Haha.. jokes aside. Let's be serious.
Science and atheism isn't going get rid of religion so easily just because science works and it isn't incompatible with religion. I know the figures show religious people are declining in the west. Christianity has survived the Romans torture, Islam survived the Crusades for hundreds of years, history speaks for itself. Sometime in the future they have to be a comprise all else science has the take the ruthless route. Edited by Zoom, Sep 25 2015, 06:33 AM.
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| Buuberries | Sep 25 2015, 06:38 AM Post #3 |
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I dont care about religion as a lot o u know, but if we take out the issues of control etc, there's still research to support that having faith is a big contribution to the happiness and mental well being for a lot O ppl. That's all I can think of rite now |
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| rusty_sim | Sep 25 2015, 06:43 AM Post #4 |
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Considering the tax-free status churches have (in my country anyway) religion is big business. I think the fear of eternal damnation has somewhat declined with increasing knowledge of the universe. I think a lot of people now consider God being a protective, loving being who people can have faith in. Old Testament God vs. New Testament. Those that still believe in wrath and fury fall into that religious extremist group. As for science debunking religion, let's consider evolution. It's effectively disproved the theory of creation and religion has responded by either: (a) claiming creation is correct and evolution is false (b) accomodating evolution as part of God's method of creation |
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| SpeedoTrunks | Sep 25 2015, 10:35 AM Post #5 |
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I think religion is taking more of a back seat, or at least people don't take it as seriously as it used to be, on a larger scale anyway. Some people still do 100% take for truth, but those people are normally involved in crazy social activities anyway, by trying to "prove" some of it right......which makes them look like nutcases. Some teachings are starting to change in terms of accepting certain scientific facts, which is great. And to be honest, religion in terms of "helping guide" or "teaching people something" can be a good thing, its when the minority come out thinking its all true, and make a show of themselves, is when it gets a bit silly for me. As in example, In a city named Chester (here in the UK) there is a friendly chap who sings hymns in the street, handing out leaflets and stuf like that. That , I find, is fine. All the hyms are really nice and he's not shoving in down your throat, or even singing loudly, plus he's a really nice guy to boot. On the flip side of this, in my home town of Crewe, a guy comes every sunday and stands on a little step ladder, bible in hand, and just shouts at people saying we're all damned to hell. Some people stop and argue with him, but no matter what anybody says to him.....he's in the right, and we're all screwed for not following the lord or whatever. That is not cool, and sets bad examples for people I find. |
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Sep 25 2015, 04:16 PM Post #6 |
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Eventually religion in the west will cease to exist, as well as conservatism in the west. That's a very bold statement, but I honestly believe that it will happen at some point. Definitely not in our lifetimes though. As older people (and stricter Christian values) die out, we steadily become more liberal and more open to science. I can't see Christianity and conservatism surviving indefinitely. |
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| + Pelador | Sep 25 2015, 04:40 PM Post #7 |
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I don't believe that religious doctrine and liberalism work well together. So I think that as the world becomes more liberal and open minded about other people's ideas, it will steadily decline. That being said I do agree that it has positive effects on society. The Chinese golden age during the Tang dynasty was almost directly influenced by the ideas of Confucianism. It seems like an interesting coincidence that when they moved away from these ideas, their society started to collapse. |
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There's a difference there, Pelador. Confucianism is not a religion, it's a philosophy. They are very different things. Buddhism is also a philosophy. |
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| + Pelador | Sep 25 2015, 05:39 PM Post #9 |
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That's very true. Perhaps if the main religions of today took a more philosophical approach then they might last longer and do more good in the world? |
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| EMIYA | Sep 25 2015, 06:13 PM Post #10 |
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Religion has to adapt if it wants to survive, heck even Catholicism understood this and started changing/adapting its stances in how it did religion. And you know what? it worked! It worked wonders because they knew that unless they adapted and changed, there was no way their religion was going to last. I can really only say it as bluntly as this. My generation and certainly generations after mine, frankly, as I love to say, aren't stupid. They aren't ignorant, they have been given this huge intake of science and knowledge. They're not stuck in a single area of traditionalism and understand the importance of progression. Some say that science is the "evolutionary" path of religion. Whether or not you take that is true, nobody can deny that religion does not hold the same power or influence it had in the past. By all means, the more science and knowledge increases, the more religion decreases and there is simply no way the religions of today can last unless they adapt. And to be again blunt, its hard. It's hard for religion now to adapt against something like science which is pushing new forms of knowledge and the ideas of progression are becoming more and more popular. Adaption is important for everything and religion is no exception to that rule. |
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| Mihawk | Sep 25 2015, 06:22 PM Post #11 |
 
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No it's not. It's a full fledged religion. There's western "strains" of Buddhism that focus on only the philosophies, but those aren't taken too seriously in the east. |
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| + Pointer | Sep 25 2015, 06:35 PM Post #12 |
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evolve or not ...faith will exists till humanity does. Btw Science is extremely important but the two shall not work against the other at all, I think religion and science can easily live together in the future. The main difference between religion and science is that religion depends on mainly faith, whilst science always wants the whys.... the promlem is that why we keep answering the whys year after year, more and more whys seem to appear. it is a never ending circle. |
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| EMIYA | Sep 25 2015, 06:58 PM Post #13 |
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I can agree that in some terms, faith may always exist. As for science and religion co-existing, that really depends on religions stance on the whole thing. This is why adaption and progression is so important. If religion tries to stick with the same formula and isn't willing to admit its flaws or mistakes, then I'd heavily disagree that religion stands no chance in working with science. It'll eventually be "overpowered" by the ever changing and adapting essence of science and become nothing more than another "myth" of the ancient past. |
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| + Pointer | Sep 25 2015, 07:12 PM Post #14 |
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if religion believes that there is life after death, it does not automatically means it is flawed and it can not be a possiblity, i mean who knows maybe even science will prove it right. Noone knows where humanity will develop in the upcoming centuries, we might end up like the race "Ancients" from stargate universe so that we continue living as pure energy and thus life after death would be confirmed.
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| EMIYA | Sep 25 2015, 07:27 PM Post #15 |
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It's not about being right or wrong, its about admitting the flaws. Religion has this tendency to remain stagnant and not admit when its wrong and in many cases won't even try to change. This is horrible for religion and keeping this kind of ideology will not let it survive. Religion is flawed, there are things about religion that don't make sense and clearly contradictory. Science will not only admit to its flaws but will also admit that at any point, it can be flawed and does its best to adapt. Religion has this issue where they don't admit its flaws or try to even admit that it could have flaws. Because the moment you admit your religion is flawed, you admit your deity is flawed and unfortunately, people can't even grasp the idea that their so called "God" can be anything but absolutely perfect. |
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