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Topic Started: Sep 22 2015, 04:31 PM (678 Views)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34317875

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A 91-year-old woman alleged to have worked at the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz has been charged with 260,000 counts of accessory to murder, German prosecutors say.


I think it's absolutely ridiculous.


As if our soldiers today don't commit similar atrocities in only smaller scale, branded heroes for they are on the side of "good"
They did a job for their country just as practically every patriotic person who says they should be crucified probably would if their leaders told them to.

Because the Nazi's lost and were thus deemed evil it makes doing a job so much worse than operators who order air strikes and such today? Which often injure civilians(not usually intended though)

If these people can be charged then we ought to start charging our own soldiers for killing people. Just because they are deemed good doesn't mean the act of taking life is somehow justified over what was deemed good or justified elsewhere.
Also what would people have them do? Attempt to get defect and probably get murdered or have their family killed? What purpose would that have served, there was plenty resistance to the Nazi regime and they kept going.
Lot of people seem to talk s*** about this but I bet they would go through with it if they or their family were threatened.


Lastly just because they did their jobs doesn't mean they enjoyed it. If there's video evidence of them standing besides mass graves laughing maniacally then okay they probably deserve it for taking pleasure in it but since that isn't a reality it's ridiculous to treat them like they might as well have been Hitler himself.
They've probably regretted it all this time, that's a huge burden on it's own.
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Nazi Death camps are not the same as what's going on today. Purposely rounding up people to put them in to a camp and then killing them off in gas chambers or however else in order to commit genocide is different from killing people during a war. Do I think there's unnecessary loss of life going on in wars currently being fought? Yes, and I have several issues with the use of drones currently. But it's still not comparable to what went on in those camps.

And I really don't like the implication that the Nazi's are only thought of as evil because they lost. Any regime committing a genocide is evil, victorious or not. Also this lady was a member of the SS, she wasn't just someone who got roped in to the army. These people were volunteers and carried out some of the most atrocious war crimes during the war. I feel no sympathy for her tbh.

So yeah, I heavily disagree with your stance.
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I don't agree.
Sounds way too extreme. Even for Germany, it doesn't matter if they have an immense hatred for nazis, this ain't right.
Edited by Darker, Sep 22 2015, 04:56 PM.
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Well, if she wasv just the radio operator I can hardly say she really had a hand in the deaths. Assuming I understand this correctly, that woman didn't do anything wrong, she just operated the radio. Generally I think it should be those who has a direct hand, or the authority to stop it that need to be tried. Guards are a bit fuzzy there.
On the plus side Germany is definitely still serious about staying as far away from nazism as possible.
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As you said still unnecessary loss of life, not to as grand a scale for sure as the world wouldn't tolerate that again but it's still hypocritical to praise the actions of our armies/nations while condemn the actions of the Nazi's completely.

It's all awful.


At what point is the unnecessary loss of life justified? Simply because less people die as a result of the military now?
The actions of our soldiers are no more just.
If America deemed a similar thing right do you think patriotic soldiers wouldn't gun down millions of their opposition for their country? If a whole country or race was deemed a threat pretty much the exact same thing would happen, under the banner of justice. Heck again with America plenty ignorant people would have no qualms with Muslims being wiped out, on the off chance they might be terrorists.

Also atrocities happen all the time in war, from every side. Or do you think Vietnamese women weren't being raped in the Vietnam or wars currently going on?
Evil is a matter of perspective, the Nazi's certainly killed more than our supposed shining knights do but they still commit their fair share of atrocities that go ignored because they're the "good" guys.


And the Nazi's are evil because they lost, if they had won this woman and others would probably be considered heroes like we have today. The Jews would have been considered a necessary sacrifice for the good of the German people. The loser is always painted as the more evil one in history no matter how it actually went down.

How much do you see about Stalin vs Hitler? Hitler is always portrayed as the most evil man in history or close enough, even though Stalin caused the death of way more of his own people than Hitler did in total I believe. Russia fought against the Nazi's though, their slate is somewhat clean from that time period because they were "good" fighting "evil"
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Sep 22 2015, 04:31 PM
Because the Nazi's lost and were thus deemed evil it makes doing a job so much worse than operators who order air strikes and such today? Which often injure civilians(not usually intended though)
This is a joke right?
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I don't think anyone's proud of what was done with the trail of tears, and the USA pretty much won against the native Americans, or first nations I think it is in Canada?
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While there is a question when it comes to whether this case is in the public's interest or not, the facts of the case are clear. Her role in the Death Camp was very important; without radio function, it would be much harder to keep in contact with higher-ups and the camp would be much less efficient. The best defence she could muster is to say that she wasn't voluntarily part of the SS, but then that's just a classic game of 'he said, she said', without the 'he' there to provide testimony.

Her age is a factor, and the public may see this as a waste of time, but she should be tried on a matter of principle.
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It's completely wrong and unjust. Germany's putting up a face for the rest of the world and it's embarrassing for a nation that was once in the top 3 most powerful forces on this planet.

"We don't like Nazis, see? We're good guys now, see, see?"
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Sep 22 2015, 06:02 PM
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Sep 22 2015, 04:31 PM
Because the Nazi's lost and were thus deemed evil it makes doing a job so much worse than operators who order air strikes and such today? Which often injure civilians(not usually intended though)
This is a joke right?
No.

Do you think if Germany took over the world they would talk about the UK, Russia and America like they were good people? No. We'd be depicted as savages that had no good reason to resist besides stupidity.

Have you ever seen a country not try to justify it's actions in some way?

Because every country thinks what it's doing is right and that anything they don't agree with is wrong.


As far as extremists are concerned capitalists and whatnot are evil people destroying the world, they are doing what is right in their eyes by trying to end capitalism and whatever else.
It's all perspective.
It's easy to pin the evil label on the Nazi's for what they did to the Jews and others, 6 million is a big number after all.
But our countries hands are far from clean.

Need I remind you around 135,000 people died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Mostly civilians.

Was that a good deed?
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i think they should just let it be

not because our soldiers did/do worse but because shes 91 f***in years old. why waste the resources
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Because the Nazi's lost and were thus deemed evil it makes doing a job so much worse than operators who order air strikes and such today? Which often injure civilians(not usually intended though)


You have a point in regards winners dictate the impressions, but Nazi as a whole is on a whole different level to anything what's going on in the middle east, Nazi's sanctions torture camps solely to exterminate Jewish people. Gas, used as work force, executions.
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Sep 22 2015, 09:28 PM


Do you think if Germany took over the world they would talk about the UK, Russia and America like they were good people? No. We'd be depicted as savages that had no good reason to resist besides stupidity.

Have you ever seen a country not try to justify it's actions in some way?

Because every country thinks what it's doing is right and that anything they don't agree with is wrong.


As far as extremists are concerned capitalists and whatnot are evil people destroying the world, they are doing what is right in their eyes by trying to end capitalism and whatever else.
It's all perspective.
It's easy to pin the evil label on the Nazi's for what they did to the Jews and others, 6 million is a big number after all.
But our countries hands are far from clean.

Need I remind you around 135,000 people died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Mostly civilians.

Was that a good deed?
Killing Japanese people in a time of war is not the same thing as rounding up and exterminating Jews. If you can't see that, that's actually sad.

Bear in mind, I'm not saying that EVER act of war that the US has ever involved themselves in was justified and I think most ppl would agree with you on that. However, in the case of World War 2, the actions of the US were absolutely justified and the actions of the Nazis should absolutely be condemned. That's not even up for debate.

Anyway, history textbooks do not label the Americans as "heroes" or "the right ones" after all out war with Native Americans that resulted in near extinction for the Native Americans. US war campaigns in the middle east, though largely victorious, have garnered world wide controversy over whether the US is doing the right thing.

Edit - only talking US examples of war bc frankly, I only learned US history in school. If you have some examples of textbooks labeling a country as the "right ones" despite controversial circumstances of their involvement, I'd love to hear them and research them myself bc the Nazi Germany example you're using is pretty terrible.

Edited by Hurry My Curry, Sep 23 2015, 06:19 AM.
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What the hell is the point of taking her to jail? She's fricking 91 years old
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Sep 23 2015, 06:13 AM
What the hell is the point of taking her to jail? She's fricking 91 years old
So there's an age limit to crime now?
Punishments haven't been designed just to teach people a lesson, it's also used as prevention for crimes.
And there's a third factor which is revenge. That one is pretty dark but we as society feel like we should take revenge on people that have damaged our society.
If you don't lock her up people will ask questions such as: "Are we just going to let her get away with this?"
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