Do you think we will ever figure out what happens after death?

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Do you think we will ever figure out what happens after death?
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SpeedoTrunks	Sep 23 2015, 09:34 AM Post #16
Posts: 908 Group: Member Member #9,238 Joined: March 22, 2013 Gender Not Specified	In fairness, the things mentioned above have been in the local news, but its so random/far fetched that there is 0 basis behind it. I know of a former surgeon (from the US) who had some crazy surgery done, and during his time on the table he had really vivid dreams about the afterlife and how god "really" is, in terms of how that works and so on. He now spends his time preaching this stuff. Although the point of that is, despite people seeing things/saying they saw people/"knowing" stuff they shouldn't know......its just mental. The brain is an incredibly powerful tool ,which store a lot of information sub consciously, and some of that comes out in the most distressing of times. But that proves 0 things. I'll go on record and say believe what you want, but don't just think "a man who knows some crazy things must be telling the truth, because there is no way he could just.....find out about something first, and then totally lie about it.". Why does this stuff never happen to a dignified scientist who puts his writings down on paper? There are people who claim to be part of some sort of time travel/mars mission thing...but thats 100% crazy talk, and we all know that it is.



+ Steve	Sep 23 2015, 01:02 PM Post #17
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	SpeedoTrunks Sep 23 2015, 09:34 AM In fairness, the things mentioned above have been in the local news, but its so random/far fetched that there is 0 basis behind it. I know of a former surgeon (from the US) who had some crazy surgery done, and during his time on the table he had really vivid dreams about the afterlife and how god "really" is, in terms of how that works and so on. He now spends his time preaching this stuff. Although the point of that is, despite people seeing things/saying they saw people/"knowing" stuff they shouldn't know......its just mental. The brain is an incredibly powerful tool ,which store a lot of information sub consciously, and some of that comes out in the most distressing of times. But that proves 0 things. I'll go on record and say believe what you want, but don't just think "a man who knows some crazy things must be telling the truth, because there is no way he could just.....find out about something first, and then totally lie about it.". Why does this stuff never happen to a dignified scientist who puts his writings down on paper? There are people who claim to be part of some sort of time travel/mars mission thing...but thats 100% crazy talk, and we all know that it is. The problem is most of the time memories of past lives allegedly surface it comes from children. The main issue with adults is just that nobody would believe them anyway. I could tell you aliens took me away yesterday and threw me an early birthday party, letting me blow up planets with laser weapons and use superpowers. Could be 100% true but because I have no evidence it's automatically refuted, which doesn't mean it isn't true. Being skeptical isn't really a solution, it doesn't make anyone right unless they have proof someone made crap up. Plenty people assume themselves to be right but they're not or rather they don't actually know if they are or not, they just want to be right. Not saying this is proof but http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm (courtesy of QueenTD) I was too tired to read the whole thing but: Quote: Dr. Stevenson has devoted the last forty years to the scientific documentation of past life memories of children from all over the world. He has over 3000 cases in his files. Many people, including skeptics and scholars, agree that these cases offer the best evidence yet for reincarnation. Quite a lot, isn't it? If that was 3000 cases out of like a million or more investigated you could maybe say it's purely coincidence. The world isn't that big for children to be able to be so exact about random things and be right. Maybe they could say that their wife in a past life made them cherry pie every Wednesday and had a unique nickname for them. They could get that totally right based on luck. But to get dates and locations as well? A bit extreme to label coincidence. It'd be like if God split open the clouds and revealed itself, captured on video and people were like "Photoshop!" there are always nonbelievers with anything.
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SpeedoTrunks	Sep 23 2015, 02:21 PM Post #18
Posts: 908 Group: Member Member #9,238 Joined: March 22, 2013 Gender Not Specified	For me personally, its just not enough. There needs to be something else there, as its not enough. Like yeah its crazy spooky how they have so much detail, and it all matches up with some stuff, but again is it enough? Is it enough to say, "YES, this 100% is a thing", for me it isn't. As an example, I saw a recent news story about a couple who say they were abducted by aliens. They did the whole hypnotherapy thing to help them "remember" stuff, and they even drew star charts to where the aliens came from. Some 60+ years later, and it turns out the star charts are pretty accurate for places we didn't fully understand at the time, but does that make it true? NO, because its pure garbage, and we all know that it is, but there is enough there to satisfy the need of some people to believe in aliens or reincarnation or whatever else that it is. Maybe I'm just a huge idiot, but I'd rather live my life based on what we know as fact (that we are all here, thanks to several thousand different reasons, that all collate to pure blind stupid luck) and use that as my motivation to live my life out, with 0 regrets, knowing that when I go, that's all I'm getting, so I need to make it count.



+ Pointer	Sep 23 2015, 02:27 PM Post #19
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	here are the options.... 1 nothing.... 2 you dies and turn to "sleep mode" and when the revelation comes jesus himself would decide by your life actions whether you fit in the new jerusalem or burn in hell. 3 ... you reincarnate to something... 4 you wake up in a tube and a giant robot would turn you to liquid to feed the other people. 5 you may go directly to the nirvana but that is highly impossible since you killed an animal. 6 you may turn to pure energy ..... that is unlikely as lots lots lots of meditation is required there are lot of lot of options...... some of it might actually happen who knows? Personally i believe in the resurrection.... even if i might not deserve it. Edited by Pointer, Sep 23 2015, 02:27 PM.



+ Steve	Sep 23 2015, 06:25 PM Post #20
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	SpeedoTrunks Sep 23 2015, 02:21 PM Is it enough to say, "YES, this 100% is a thing", for me it isn't. As an example, I saw a recent news story about a couple who say they were abducted by aliens. They did the whole hypnotherapy thing to help them "remember" stuff, and they even drew star charts to where the aliens came from. Some 60+ years later, and it turns out the star charts are pretty accurate for places we didn't fully understand at the time, but does that make it true? NO, because its pure garbage, and we all know that it is, but there is enough there to satisfy the need of some people to believe in aliens or reincarnation or whatever else that it is. For me it's definitely enough to say it's like 53/47. Too many instances with great detail to brand it as random, if you applied that to other statistics it would never be counted out. Like for instance if there were 50 million athletes being tested for steroid usage and 5000 of them tested positive, that's only 0.01% of all those athletes who have used steroids. Is that number so low that you can suggest steroid usage never happens? I wouldn't say so. It doesn't happen often of course but it still happens. Obviously an extreme and silly example but I think it makes some sense at least For your example, how do you know it's garbage? Just because people didn't believe them and you don't doesn't mean there's proof it didn't happen, like I said being skeptical about things doesn't prove anything either way. Maybe it's extreme coincidence but it's impossible to say either way. Unless you could delve in to their memories and see them making the story up for a laugh you can't say for definite they were lying. The burden of proof falls on both sides when it comes to something so vague, the truth is up in the air until one side proves it right or wrong. Of course it's worse to base something as fact based on vague "proof" than it is to refute it. Like if someone posted a video of them singing a song that controls gravity to make an apple float we couldn't write that in to the textbooks as part of how gravity behaves 'cause just...well, obviously not. With our vast knowledge of gravity we can be sure that's just a camera trick or special effect. There's no problem with living life based on what we know but then we don't know everything, anything like reincarnation may seem silly and magical but it could actually be a fundamental law of the universe we've just not figured out yet. We still barely understand what goes on in the universe that we can see, nevermind all the spectrum's and such that we can't see.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Sep 23 2015, 06:34 PM Post #21
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Aren't there lots of kids who claim to remember a past life? Look up Cameron Macauley
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* Yu Narukami	Sep 23 2015, 07:12 PM Post #22
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	If Children remember past lives, then reincarnation is the truth. Are people willing to throw aside their own religious beliefs because a tiny amount of children remember past lives with an unnerving amount of detail? Edited by Yu Narukami, Sep 23 2015, 07:12 PM.



+ Steve	Sep 23 2015, 07:44 PM Post #23
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Nagito Komaeda Sep 23 2015, 07:12 PM If Children remember past lives, then reincarnation is the truth. Are people willing to throw aside their own religious beliefs because a tiny amount of children remember past lives with an unnerving amount of detail? They don't really have to. Plenty religions ignore facts or just embrace them, if reincarnation was definitively proved they'd have to adjust anyway.
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* Yu Narukami	Sep 23 2015, 08:13 PM Post #24
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Not that I think that reincarnation is legitimate in any way, but it wouldn't make a difference if it was. If I was, say, George Washington in a past life and I could remember what happened, I wouldn't be George Washington. George Washington's conscience would be non-existent; I'd be viewing those memories as me, not him. Reincarnation has meaning for the new souls, not the old ones that are reborn. It'd essentially be the same as the Atheist view; the person who died is dead, there's nothing left.



+ Steve	Sep 23 2015, 09:26 PM Post #25
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	Well you never know, might get to live on and see life through somebodies eyes. Perhaps that's what the random thoughts and feelings people get about stuff are depends entirely on the specifics which obviously we can't even begin to confirm.
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+ QueenTD	Sep 23 2015, 09:34 PM Post #26
My Dear Melancholy, Posts: 4,480 Group: Elite Member Member #11,589 Joined: August 8, 2014 Gender Female Country United States	IMHO I believe Deja Vu in incidents you should't have Deja Vu is an another support for reincarnation. There's more "proof" to it and I sent some to Steve but it's SOOOO much to read and watch. I believe Ian's student made a 3 or 4 hours long video on ideas, test, proof, errors, accurate data, incidents, mindset, the brain, and even theories on the reincarnation science theory. Very interesting research.
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* Yu Narukami	Sep 23 2015, 10:13 PM Post #27
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	''You'' still wouldn't exist, though. Unless a fragment of a memory is your entire consciousness, you'd cease to be. Parts of you would continue on, but they'd be viewed by an entirely different person. For you to continue existing, you'd have to be able to create new memories.



Zoom	Sep 24 2015, 01:50 AM Post #28
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	Different cultures and religions tells us different things. Buddhism teaches us about incarnations and trying to achieve peace and happiness, Christianity says Jesus will be resurrected only after certain criterias are met and if you believe in him, you'll be saved.



ILikeMySocks	Sep 24 2015, 02:18 AM Post #29
Posts: 44 Group: Member Member #12,551 Joined: August 12, 2015 Country Ireland Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter 2011 Favourite Manga Dragonball OR Kuroko no Basket	You wait for your mates to wish you back with the dragon balls.



+ Ssj3vegito96	Sep 24 2015, 04:12 AM Post #30
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Nagito Komaeda Sep 23 2015, 08:13 PM Not that I think that reincarnation is legitimate in any way, but it wouldn't make a difference if it was. If I was, say, George Washington in a past life and I could remember what happened, I wouldn't be George Washington. George Washington's conscience would be non-existent; I'd be viewing those memories as me, not him. Reincarnation has meaning for the new souls, not the old ones that are reborn. It'd essentially be the same as the Atheist view; the person who died is dead, there's nothing left. Dam...never thought of it that way.... Thanks for making ruining it lol
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