The "God Ki" Fallacy

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The "God Ki" Fallacy
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Anthonest	Sep 18 2015, 01:50 AM Post #1
The Penultimate Saiyan Posts: 104 Group: Member Member #12,455 Joined: July 5, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball (Original), Elfen Lied What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball	Consider this the bigger picture of the SSJG vs SSJ4 debate. Im tired of everyone using the word "God Ki" as evidence for why Beerus is stronger than every character ever, when they no absolutely nothing about what "God Ki" really is. There is quite literally ONE thing we know for sure about God Ki, is that it cannot be sensed, thus so far however. Anybody remember the Saiyan Saga? Ah the days before all of this ridiculous s*. Remember when the Earthlings were the only ones who could ever sense power? Of course until Vegeta learned, using the logic of unnamed others that would make earthlings Ki superior to that of Vegeta and Nappa. That makes about as much sense as the people who love making absurd assumptions about God Ki. Hell, for all you know God Ki could be exactly the same as regular Ki in every shape and form but its just possessed by a God. Thats just as fair of an assumption as these other arguments about God Ki. Something i've dubbed "The God Ki Fallacy" is whenever people make arguments about God Ki based off of pure speculation and holds no real factual basis provided by DBS, BOG or ROF. What sparked this is an argument i heard about Omega Shenron vs Beerus, of course they thought Beerus would win which is a fair assumption considering we will never know the outcome and all guesses are equal except for the fact that his only piece of supporting evidence was "Beerus would win because he has God Ki, and you can't sense God Ki", that was in quotations for a reason. HE SAID THAT, that was his reasoning. As far as I know DBS hasen't expanded on the whole God Ki term yet but feel free to correct me, for i have yet to watch DBS because im waiting for Funimation to dub it. People need to stop assuming things and admit they don't know what the f* they're talking about.



Mike XL	Sep 18 2015, 02:56 AM Post #2
Posts: 1,181 Group: Member Member #8,239 Joined: September 4, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Gundam Seed, Death Note, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho	Yeah, having God ki doesn't mean someone with normal ki can't best them. Kaioshin has God ki and was weaker than the base Saiyans in the Buu saga. It was implied that Vegeta made Beerus use a certain percent of his power in their fight, presumably implying that, even with normal ki, had he been stronger that he'd be a challenge for Beerus.



Timothy	Sep 18 2015, 03:38 AM Post #3
Posts: 754 Group: Member Member #12,620 Joined: September 5, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball,Z,Super,Naruto,Bleach,FMA,HunterXHunter and Hellsing What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Mike XL Sep 18 2015, 02:56 AM Yeah, having God ki doesn't mean someone with normal ki can't best them. Kaioshin has God ki and was weaker than the base Saiyans in the Buu saga. It was implied that Vegeta made Beerus use a certain percent of his power in their fight, presumably implying that, even with normal ki, had he been stronger that he'd be a challenge for Beerus. True but beerus used that percentage to keep vegeta looking like a fodder and it was still one sided with no Damage on beerus But yea kais show god ki isn't immune to ki



+ Ssj3vegito96	Sep 18 2015, 08:53 PM Post #4
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Golden Frieza isnt a god /thread
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Timothy	Sep 18 2015, 11:13 PM Post #5
Posts: 754 Group: Member Member #12,620 Joined: September 5, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball,Z,Super,Naruto,Bleach,FMA,HunterXHunter and Hellsing What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Ssj3vegito96 Sep 18 2015, 08:53 PM Golden Frieza isnt a god /thread That supports his point XD



Tinny	Sep 19 2015, 12:02 AM Post #6
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* Ketchup Revenge	Sep 19 2015, 02:03 AM Post #7
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+ Solid Snake	Sep 19 2015, 02:47 PM Post #8
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Is Super Saiyan God even godly at all? I thought it just allow Vegeta them to utilize the godly power of the original Saiyan God and not exactly the ki?
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Timothy	Sep 19 2015, 04:29 PM Post #9
Posts: 754 Group: Member Member #12,620 Joined: September 5, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball,Z,Super,Naruto,Bleach,FMA,HunterXHunter and Hellsing What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Solid Snake Sep 19 2015, 02:47 PM Is Super Saiyan God even godly at all? I thought it just allow Vegeta them to utilize the godly power of the original Saiyan God and not exactly the ki? Makes them gods with god ki and you keep the god ki when you master ssg. Combining the god metamorphosis while in ssj form allows for more power to be obtained(ssgss)



+ Solid Snake	Sep 19 2015, 05:15 PM Post #10
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Timothy Sep 19 2015, 04:29 PM Solid Snake Sep 19 2015, 02:47 PM Is Super Saiyan God even godly at all? I thought it just allow Vegeta them to utilize the godly power of the original Saiyan God and not exactly the ki? Makes them gods with god ki and you keep the god ki when you master ssg. Combining the god metamorphosis while in ssj form allows for more power to be obtained(ssgss) I thought they only retatained the power though and not necessarily the god ki? Oh well guess that sort of makes sense, given the difference in the cosmetics and aura.
	Shinnozou tomete kureru! ~ Evil Ryu SSJG and SSJ4 Goku Sig SUPER THANKS CELL Dragon Ball: Ultimate Road Story http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8434874/1/#new Naruto and Goku's Adventure Story http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8435708/1/#new


Timothy	Sep 20 2015, 03:27 AM Post #11
Posts: 754 Group: Member Member #12,620 Joined: September 5, 2015 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball,Z,Super,Naruto,Bleach,FMA,HunterXHunter and Hellsing What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Solid Snake Sep 19 2015, 05:15 PM Timothy Sep 19 2015, 04:29 PM Solid Snake Sep 19 2015, 02:47 PM Is Super Saiyan God even godly at all? I thought it just allow Vegeta them to utilize the godly power of the original Saiyan God and not exactly the ki? Makes them gods with god ki and you keep the god ki when you master ssg. Combining the god metamorphosis while in ssj form allows for more power to be obtained(ssgss) I thought they only retatained the power though and not necessarily the god ki? Oh well guess that sort of makes sense, given the difference in the cosmetics and aura. Also pure god ki seems to be blue noting thr ritual and goku reactivating ssg in bog Makes sense for ssgss to be blue considering the name is super saiyan god having the super saiyan transformation is likely fundamental in controlling its full power



+ Ssj3vegito96	Sep 20 2015, 03:44 AM Post #12
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Idk for sure but I've decided to disregard the movies and wait until BOG and RF sagas are some and go off of what they have to say. Chances are it might be different
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