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| FutureProtagonist | Sep 21 2015, 03:20 AM Post #106 | |
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I'm not, but for the purposes of a battle manga it doesn't matter. Have you ever seen a DBZ character demonstrate any of those symptoms after being hit in the head? Of course not. There's no such thing as a brain injury in DBZ. The point I was making is that there is no correlation between being hit in the head and being knocked out (unless it's intended to do so, which is always a blow to the back of the head). The equivalency comes from the story itself. Knocking someone out simply entails punching them hard. Vegeta knocked out Goten by punching him in the stomach. Krillin's injury was intended to send him flying, Yamcha's and Tenshinhan's were not. That was tongue-in-cheek. Obviously they did not fear reprisal from any of the humans. Krillin was never given a chance to get back up, but obviously the Cell Junior was expecting him to. Why not just go straight to kicking him in the stomach? Lots of DBZ characters get kicked/punched in the head, but never once have they demonstrated any kind of realistic symptoms. Vegeta got punched in the head by Pure Boo, but his thoughts remained clear as day. Every human was always at the mercy of the Cell Juniors. That Cell Junior could have hit Tenshinhan ten more times and beaten him to a pulp in an instant. Tenshinhan recovering and throwing a punch only occurred because he was allowed to. Krillin was not. It really is that simple. It has nothing to do with Ten/Krillin/Yamcha. It has everything to do with their opponents. Edited by FutureProtagonist, Sep 21 2015, 03:31 AM.
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Sep 21 2015, 03:52 AM Post #107 | |
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The fact Ten trains everyday doesn't matter at all. Training gains are inconsistent, and vary among the person and their situation. And, it could easily occur for the reason of Ten's daily training to keep himself in shape, or anything like that. Look at Gohan's power drops--they are all over the place, as power levels and training gains. Edited by Professor Gohan, Sep 21 2015, 03:57 AM.
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| Thiln | Sep 21 2015, 04:33 AM Post #108 | |
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Vegeta was so much more powerful than Goten that anywhere on the body would have sufficed. Just because this is a shonen manga where energy blasts and beyond human physical capabilities are the norm does not mean that some pseudo-form of anatomical vulnerability can't apply. Vegeta, for instance, had his eye blasted by a weakened Goku in spite of the substantial difference in power level; the human eye happens to be one of the most sensitive organs on the body. Furthermore, attacking the sensitive pressure points on a person's body does actually have a basis in DB. Examples? Spoiler: click to toggle Notice how both are applied specifically to the head region. What's also interesting to note is that the areas of the neck do in fact contain cranial nerves that sends information throughout the rest of the body like the glossopharyngeal and vagus nerves. Just about every one-hit KO attack like these have involved one of these cranial nerves, including Beerus's Karate chop to the Trapezius Muscle where the suprascapular pressure point would be situated. The only exceptions which come to mind are Goten's punch in the gut and Piccolo being knocked out by Beerus applying pressure to points in his chest area. The manga has made out the head region along with cranial nerves and general organs situated in that region of the body to be more vulnerable relative to other areas. Okay then, so an attack that was expressly intended to propel him through the air apparently had a more detrimental outcome compared to Tien who was specifically kicked hard in the jaw region where those aforementioned cranial nerves that can cause traumatic shock to the brain are especially situated. Why do you think uppercuts to the jaw area are so preferred in boxing matches? It's one of the most effective areas of the human body through which to get a knockout. Krillin didn't show any symptoms of getting back up to his feet or even trying to recover before colliding with the dirt. His arms were hanging limply at his side with no apparent motion to re-position them underneath or in front of his body so he can pull himself up. Given his past history with being rendered immobile after one hit, I'm inclined to say that the same would have occurred regardless of whether Cell Jr followed through with a sequential blow or not. Being punched in the face itself won't necessarily induce unconsciousness or detrimental effect. Besides that, Buu literally had Vegeta right where he wanted him. He was tied up and unable to retaliate in any form. At that point Buu was mindlessly punching his face constantly just for crap and giggles. Tien was intended to be tortured and reduced to such a severe state in order to help spur Gohan into becoming enraged. Vegeta was at least capable of standing in the end. Tien and the other humans couldn't even move. Can you offer any proof as to why allowing Tien to continue fighting when they're supposed to be inflicting agony on him would be a rational course of action for the Cell Jrs? They're not looking for actual competitive fights. Cell instructed them to cripple and torture everyone so Gohan would unlock his dormant power in a rage.
One of my previous posts contained a panel from the Buu arc depicting Tien in what looked like weighted clothing in an arid or mountainous region of the globe. I don't believe keeping in shape would require using the gear that's commonly associated with serious training. Probably what's one of the more consistent aspects of the humans is that they make sizable gains from training. We see this with Roshi, Karin, Kami, and quite arguably King Kai too. In fact, every regimen that they've undertaken has seen more benefit for them compared to Goku. The only disputable exception has been King Kai and that's largely because the humans were rendered obsolete in following arcs. Edited by Thiln, Sep 21 2015, 04:38 AM.
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| DEY DID DIS 2 ME | Sep 21 2015, 04:36 AM Post #109 | |
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| + Yusuke | Sep 21 2015, 10:00 PM Post #110 | |
 
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Good point. There's much more going for Krillin potential wise but it's really hard to make the call given that we don't know the kind of boost Tien would get from Guru. If anything, Tien getting the Guru unlock would put him in a more favorable position to potentially surpass Krillin with the right amount of training. |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 21 2015, 10:07 PM Post #111 | |
 
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At this point I don't know what's being argued. These posts are too long. | |
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