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| Thiln | Sep 18 2015, 03:20 PM Post #46 | |
 
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If it did then why was Gohan's power noted to have decreased from lack of training during the 7 year timeskip? However Krillin maintained supremacy is beyond me. Frankly, it doesn't make any sense for him to be stronger when he did nothing but rust during that long intermission, and something tells me he didn't bother to double down on the training between the Buu arc and the movie storylines, but it is what it is. My belief is that a major factor in his continued position has to do with the same reasoning that's allowed Vegeta to climb to the top and become equal with Goku - popularity. Notice how Krillin tends to rank pretty high in the polls? In one of the most recent polls that I saw, Yamcha of all people ranked higher than Tien. Yamcha! Part of me wonders why Toriyama doesn't come out and say that Yamcha is stronger too. |
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| Total Warrior | Sep 18 2015, 04:12 PM Post #47 | |
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I knew Tien was the second most popular human, now he's even less appreciated than Yamcha?? I mean everyone has been picking on him for years,how can he be so popular? | |
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| Thiln | Sep 18 2015, 04:34 PM Post #48 | |
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Well I'm talking about the Japanese fanbase. Do we have anyone here who can tell what their opinions are like regarding the humans? | |
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| * Yu Narukami | Sep 18 2015, 04:48 PM Post #49 | |
Izanagi!
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It's simple; Tenshinhan's gains weren't great after his training on Kaio's planet. He's only had Chaozu to train with, and there's only so much training you can do before you come to a standstill, unless you try a different method of training. It seems his training took a back-seat too, as we're told that he has a farm and works on it. | |
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| Mihawk | Sep 18 2015, 04:48 PM Post #50 | |
 
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For those trying to copout with "Feats > Statements", then consider Vegeta and Nappa against the Earthlings (and let's say the fight ends there). Nappa has more feats against the Earthlings, but Vegeta is stronger. Vegeta being arrogant and not wanting to fight such weak Earthlings allows Nappa to do the work (see how this draws a parallel to Krillin being a coward and Tenshinhan being brave?) Now a Nappa fan could bring up the fact that Nappa has more feats, and despite the statements of him being stronger, they keep bringing up "Feats > Statements". Do you see how bias can hinder your interpretation? | |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 18 2015, 06:48 PM Post #51 | |
 
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Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P3.2-3 Context: as Kuririn goes up against Punter Marron: “That person dad’s fighting is big and looks strong…I wonder if he’ll be alright?...” Yamcha: “It’s fine, fine! Someone like that doesn’t matter at all! Your father is the strongest in the world! Among Earthlings…” "Human" can apply to just about anyone in the series (Ginyu and Vegeta come to mind first). The problem you run into is you're forcing classifications. It isn't the fans who are deciding these things, it was the manga first of all and then the guidebooks sort of leaped onto the idea. In the manga, Tenshinhan is never singled out as anything more than a humanoid earthling like Krillin and Yamcha, and in fact includes him in that category with the picture FutureProtagonist posted above. Whatever alien blood he might have, it's not enough to be classified as anything but a standard earthling. You want to exclude him, but there's no valid justification for doing so. If we excluded him from the category then we might as well exclude Krillin, Chaozu, Puar, Boss Rabbit, Mummy, Invisible Man, Akkuman, Pilaf, Dracula Man, the King of Earth, and anybody who isn't the basic "human" in our eyes. Tenshinhan doesn't qualify anymore than they do for an exemption. From the same guidebook that brings up his "alien ancestry": I don't quite grasp why there's an opposition to this classification when the only place that brings it up still includes him in the earthling section. It isn't a case of a human-Saiyan hybrid that's specifically exempt from that ruling by the creator himself and within the manga. The only thing indicating Krillin is stronger isn't the statement from ROF. It's Yamcha's statement in the manga, Toriyama's interview from 2004, and the BOG promotional material. Anything ever mentioned about Tenshinhan is how brave he is or what he does in his free time, like farming and volleyball with Chaozu. Edited by Pyrus, Sep 18 2015, 06:51 PM.
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| + Clearin | Sep 18 2015, 07:07 PM Post #52 | |
 
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Is there a statement in the actual film itself, or are people referring to the promotional bios? | |
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| DEY DID DIS 2 ME | Sep 18 2015, 07:08 PM Post #53 | |
MY FACE!
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Tenshinhan all day, baby. | |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 18 2015, 07:34 PM Post #54 | |
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The promotional material as far as I know. |
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| + Yusuke | Sep 18 2015, 08:22 PM Post #55 | |
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The whole "Feats > Statements" thingy reminds me a lot of me from 2013. How times have changed... | |
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| Kblo247 | Sep 18 2015, 08:36 PM Post #56 | |
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Goku got a beam shot thru his heart ... If you aren't on guard you can be hurt. In the case of Krillin, he hit a tree head on. Vegeta got blown up. Gohan got one shorted and had his heart stopped by first form frieza who we know is an ant to Goku/Vegeta since his 4th form can't touch their base. Piccolo got knocked flat on his a*** for taking someone as a joke. A common theme is the 5 guys from the namek saga all goofed up at points and nearly cost themselves Edited by Kblo247, Sep 18 2015, 08:39 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Sep 18 2015, 08:57 PM Post #57 | |
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What do you mean by that? |
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| DEY DID DIS 2 ME | Sep 19 2015, 08:15 AM Post #58 | |
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MY FACE!
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I wonder what Yamcha would have told Marron if Tenshinhan was at Budokai 25? (autoplay)
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| + Yusuke | Sep 19 2015, 05:52 PM Post #59 | |
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I used to use that logic a lot back in 2013. Especially in the first month I was on this site. |
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| + Pyrus | Sep 19 2015, 05:54 PM Post #60 | |
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 But it wouldn't have mattered if he was there or not, to reply seriously to a joking post and ruining the fun. Yamcha didn't mention the Earthlings part to her, and it was implied earlier that Krillin would've had no problem with Tenshinhan entering when Gohan asked him to join the tournament because all he requested was that Gohan not ask Piccolo or he'd have a tough time winning money; then later on when it's mentioned Gohan couldn't find Tenshinhan, there's no "phew" from Krillin like there is when he's told the kids can't participate with the adults. |
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