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| * Mitas | Sep 14 2015, 06:00 PM Post #31 |
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'Feminazis', for lack of a better term, do for feminism what Muslim extremists do for Islam. At the story in question, the protesters chose a bad way to get their point across (and honestly, with people like that, they're probably incapable of finding a good way to get their point across). A section of the people (the Imams and the security) reacted as you'd imagine most people would in that situation (substitute the women for nude males and there'd be no questions surrounding them being 'manhandled' off the stage), but those that attacked them, like those who were kicking out at the woman, were definitely in the wrong. I guess you could argue that it's disrespectful to purposely contest somebody's religious beliefs like that, and you'd be right, but Idk, I find it hard to be on their side when they're debating whether they can beat their wives or not. |
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| + Steve | Sep 14 2015, 06:01 PM Post #32 |
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What important rights do men actually have over women though? I see that said a lot but never see actual examples. The only things people seem to say are social based standards like if a girl sleeps with 50 guys she's a lovely lady but if a guy sleeps with 50 girls he's a legend. Which I honestly only see among the likes of college guys on TV in real life I've rarely heard anyone say a guy sleeping with lots of women is a good thing, they get a cheer when they've landed a hot girl but they're not celebrated for how many they've slept with. Besides that I see a lot of made up stuff like men being paid more than women for the same work. Anyway, nothing wrong with feminism aside from the name of it but it's misrepresented by idiots far too much, like how Westbro Baptist Church make people think that's what everyone who follows the Bible believes and how they act which is obviously not the case. Feminazi's have become the face of feminism so most people think it's a joke. Maybe feminists should just start equalism or something? 'cause then you include all genders and you can ditch the crazy fools(mostly) |
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| Tinny | Sep 14 2015, 06:05 PM Post #33 |
 
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@Notaka Quite a few do, but that doesn't mean they can't also talk about the west as well. And there are plenty of groups assuming to do that, but it's a lot harder in these counties because of various beliefs surrounding women. Afghanistan had and I think (correct me if I'm wrong) has allot of terrible enforcing women's rights, so much they they kept a women in jail to protect her from her husband. There are still schools that seek to educate girls and women before and after the Taliban there, feminism is very real there and is working, just not absolutely everyone, and if they seem to fail to get results, they have a very large task ahead of them. And Steve I I think plenty of people have started identifying as specifically equalists. 
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| Buuberries | Sep 14 2015, 06:10 PM Post #34 |
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i tried thrice to post something that conveyed this but my mind is so fried i couldnt think of a way to express it. |
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| Hurry My Curry | Sep 14 2015, 06:10 PM Post #35 |
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I made a topic somewhat related to this a while ago asking what it is feminists are even fighting for anymore and as I recall, there wasn't really a definitive answer. It would be nice if child custody cases were not so blatantly biased towards women. |
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| Graffiti | Sep 14 2015, 10:03 PM Post #36 |
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Exactly man, I completely agree. Women deserve equal rights as much men do, and the "Feminazis' aren't doing anything but defiling that cause. Instead of posing topless, disrespectfully, why don't they speak out like civilized people do? That's how it should be for everything, feminism or not. Just like with Muslim extremism, violence or lewd behavior isn't the key. |
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| Fulgore | Oct 2 2015, 03:28 AM Post #37 |
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I'm bumping tis because I feel very strongly about feminism. 3rd wave feminists are bats*** crazy. Let me come right out and say it. They're part of a narcissistic society that is promoting a me mentality, and for the most part the members of the current movement(most notably the women) use this to further advance themselves.(pursuing goals that ensure better treatment for themselves even if it disadvantages other groups) My experience with them has been insane. Reality is simply not an issue in their heads anylonger. First wave feminism was legit. Second was slightly delusional. Third wave is a bunch of lunatics. |
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| + Ginyu | Oct 2 2015, 05:32 AM Post #38 |
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Have you just ignored all te other posts in this thread? Those people you've "met" (I'm willing to put money on the fact you haven't met them) aren't really feminists, they claim to be feminists but they're pseudo-feminists (in Internet culture commonly called feminazis) feminism is a mkvement that strives for equality between men and women (and also care about LGBT-rights) if a group is promoting women's rights and doing doesn't give a crap about men's rights and want women to be ahead of men thenby definition they aren't feminists, whether they call themselves that or not. The majority of feminists is educated and fights for both genders (yes, still more often for women than for men, which is obvious since men are still ahead of women on more issues) It's like I'm saying: "I believe in God and Jesus and everything thr Bible says but I pray towards Mekka so I'm a Muslim." |
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| Fulgore | Oct 2 2015, 05:59 AM Post #39 |
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I don't need to read posts in a forum to have first hand experience on a topic. I've delt with first, second, and tons of third wave feminists. Talk to any first wave feminists about third wave and see what they have to say. It's laughable. The fact that you pointed out that women are more often rallied behind in feminist movements when supposedly that promote equality speaks for itself... 3rd wave Feminists will attack just about any one critical of their motives. Edited by Fulgore, Oct 2 2015, 05:59 AM.
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| SpeedoTrunks | Oct 2 2015, 07:08 AM Post #40 |
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Surely feminism should just be called "equality" because thats what is needed, and most of us are all for at least. The equal standing between men and women. In my immediate environment, its women that are doing much better than the guys, in nearly all areas (job/pay/social standing) so I think the days of older "second class citizen" stuff are behind us. Sure some people are still shocking when it comes to realising the female gender is infact nothing to be scared of, but I'm not a fan of "feminism" in terms of those that hugely kick off because something isnt being done or said by a women themselves. A good example is: A friend of a friend is hardcore feminist. She was staying over at his house, when his girlfriend went to go hang out the washing. The feminist friend saw she was hanging out her boyfriends stuff as well......and then went into rage mode about how "men are constantly making women slaves etc". This was despite the fact my friend, had cooked for them both, done the initial washing itself and then drove them both around all weekend. And he did it all because you should share the load, and because its nice, not because its his duty or anything like that. Very annoying. To me Women are equal. I was raised by women, in my world, me being a bloke does 0 for my chances at anything, and that's how it should be. I have a daughter who i encourage to be anything she wants to be, because in our modern world this is true. |
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Umm.... what? I'm a feminist. Talk to me. I can guarantee you I don't sound anything like the people you claim to have met. And I'm pretty sure I have a lot more experience with feminism than you do. "Talk to any first wave feminists about third wave and see what they have to say." Clearly you don't understand what the terms "first wave" and "third wave" mean. We are currently in the third wave (arguably the fourth wave), which means that the first wave has ended. Most "first wave feminists" are dead. The terms are not categories of feminists, they are historical movements. At least understand your terms before you throw them around like you know what you're talking about. |
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| * Stark | Oct 2 2015, 05:08 PM Post #42 |
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 Your experience with people who call themselves feminists =/= actual feminism. All they want is equality. Edited by Stark, Oct 2 2015, 05:27 PM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 2 2015, 05:20 PM Post #43 |
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Feminism; ''the belief that women should be allowed the same rights, power, and opportunities as men and be treated in the same way, or the set of activities intended to achieve this state:'' That means that the areas where women are treated better than men will be addressed as well. Women get lighter sentences? Feminism argues that they should get the same sentences as men would get. Women are favoured when it comes to child custody? Feminism argues that they should both be treated equally, with no side being favoured. The reason Feminism focuses on Women's issues so much is simply because there are more of them. You don't have Republicans doctoring footage in an attempt to defund an organisation who provides assistance to Men, do you? |
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Plus, feminism fights for issues like LGBT rights, abortion and sex education, rape (both male and female), disability issues, etc. It isn't just about men and woman being "equal." As long as social issues like these exist, feminism will continue fighting, and I'll continue to back it as a movement. Feminism has far too much history to just chuck it out the window or call it something different. That would be disrespecting what the original feminists fought for. Which is a ton of history. Take a women's history class if you don't understand what women have gone through over the years. It's pretty s***ty looking back on it. |
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| + Ginyu | Oct 2 2015, 06:00 PM Post #45 |
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This would be a good point if on 50% of the issues men have it better and on 50% of the issues women have it better. That's simply not true, there are still many more issues where women are at a disadvantage compared to men. Sure there's prison sentences and divorce laws where men are screwed but feminists fight for men in these cases as well. Feminists fight for women more often, because more often women are getting screwed over, this isn't rocket science. Nobody accused Martin Luther King of being unfair because he didn't fight for white people because white people were at a big advantage in the world. |
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