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Talion vs Geralt
Topic Started: Sep 1 2015, 08:01 PM (947 Views)
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Both are at their end of game levels with all upgrades.
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I don't know much about Talion at all but Geralt has some pretty OP skills.

Shield that drains none of his stamina and regenerates his health whenever it is hit until his stamina runs out.
Insane reflexes for shooting crossbows or throwing bombs.
Fairly powerful flamethrower, enough to melt armour.
Blast of energy strong enough to knock over large foes, break down doors and such.
Mind control abilities.
Expert skill in brewing potions from common plants in the world.
Overall great attack speed and skill.
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Sep 1 2015, 10:05 PM
I don't know much about Talion at all but Geralt has some pretty OP skills.

Shield that drains none of his stamina and regenerates his health whenever it is hit until his stamina runs out.
Insane reflexes for shooting crossbows or throwing bombs.
Fairly powerful flamethrower, enough to melt armour.
Blast of energy strong enough to knock over large foes, break down doors and such.
Mind control abilities.
Expert skill in brewing potions from common plants in the world.
Overall great attack speed and skill.
The shield won't help him against Talion, someone who can teleport and has magical weapons from the First Age
Talion can see time in slow motion whilst in the Wraith World and again, teleport
Flamethower is good, but Talion's ability to see into the Wraith World means he can analyze that threat and know to avoid it. Also, flame arrows
Talion's got no real equivalent, but he can wrestle with Graugs and continue to fight after suffering a soul split, so his durability is nice
Talion can do the same thing, except the people he mind controls he can make explode.
As for attacking and skill, Talion is a Ranger, already that's great skill. Combine that with Celebrimbor, an incredibly powerful elf who can manifest out of Talion's body when he needs an assist and Talion is incredibly tough in hand to hand.
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The shield won't help him against Talion, someone who can teleport and has magical weapons from the First Age


There's no reason why it wouldn't, it forms a perfect sphere around Geralt and he only has to make a hand gesture to generate and maintain it and it's used to fight all sorts of magical creatures none of which(so far as I played) can get through it.
It also reflects 5% of the damage inflicted upon it back, so that could mount up.
One of the most broken powers he has.
He can also use the same sign to create a kind of aura based shield around him that doesn't limit his movement and knocks foes back when they break it(lasts one hit though)

He can also create a magic trap that weakens foes inside it's radius and automatically attacks them with bolts of energy. Slows them down as well I think.

How's Talion for regen? Geralt's is great with that shield ability I think a couple of others give him health back too.

His stamina is fairly crazy too it's replenished like 2 seconds after running out.


Not to mention I think he's over 100 years old, so a lot of experience under his belt. 100 or 90 so IIRC.

If he just spammed his shield power he should win it, isn't Talion somewhat limited? I'm sure there's some kind of energy he uses that depletes and takes however long to replenish, I remember seeing that he can't just fire an infinite amount of those light arrow things that seem to oneshot kill Orcs and whatnot.
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Talion has more mobility and ranged options, but I think Geralt's power, superhuman senses, and intelligence should win him this.
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The shield won't help him against Talion, someone who can teleport and has magical weapons from the First Age


There's no reason why it wouldn't, it forms a perfect sphere around Geralt and he only has to make a hand gesture to generate and maintain it and it's used to fight all sorts of magical creatures none of which(so far as I played) can get through it.
It also reflects 5% of the damage inflicted upon it back, so that could mount up.
One of the most broken powers he has.
He can also use the same sign to create a kind of aura based shield around him that doesn't limit his movement and knocks foes back when they break it(lasts one hit though)

He can also create a magic trap that weakens foes inside it's radius and automatically attacks them with bolts of energy. Slows them down as well I think.

How's Talion for regen? Geralt's is great with that shield ability I think a couple of others give him health back too.

His stamina is fairly crazy too it's replenished like 2 seconds after running out.


Not to mention I think he's over 100 years old, so a lot of experience under his belt. 100 or 90 so IIRC.

If he just spammed his shield power he should win it, isn't Talion somewhat limited? I'm sure there's some kind of energy he uses that depletes and takes however long to replenish, I remember seeing that he can't just fire an infinite amount of those light arrow things that seem to oneshot kill Orcs and whatnot.
...there is NO way you could get that through normal play. Did you compete post game content or use dlc by chance? If not what are it's limitations? It honestly sounds like an "I win" button with no reason not to use it forever.
In any case if it's obvious it should only with a few times and leave them at a stalemate if he just spams it.
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There's no reason why it wouldn't, it forms a perfect sphere around Geralt and he only has to make a hand gesture to generate and maintain it and it's used to fight all sorts of magical creatures none of which(so far as I played) can get through it.
It also reflects 5% of the damage inflicted upon it back, so that could mount up.
One of the most broken powers he has.
He can also use the same sign to create a kind of aura based shield around him that doesn't limit his movement and knocks foes back when they break it(lasts one hit though)

Talion can teleport inside the shield(he has teleported his sword into Uruks before) and weapons from the First Age are ridiculously strong. Like, strong enough to hurt demigods and remove immortality kind of strong. They're augmented with magical effects as well.
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He can also create a magic trap that weakens foes inside it's radius and automatically attacks them with bolts of energy. Slows them down as well I think.

Again, he can teleport out of it
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How's Talion for regen? Geralt's is great with that shield ability I think a couple of others give him health back too.

He can drain stamina, health, and energy using his draining ability. The Uruk in question is paralyzed during that process(like a force choke), but it's notable that the Tower can resist it. However, the Tower is also a powerful psychic and has Sauron backing him, so his magic is pretty damn impressive.
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His stamina is fairly crazy too it's replenished like 2 seconds after running out.

Gameplay mechanics, by that same string, Talion can run at full speed indefinitely due to lacking a stamina bar
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Not to mention I think he's over 100 years old, so a lot of experience under his belt. 100 or 90 so IIRC.

Celebrimbor is an elf and over 500 years old, probably more. Not to mention he was one of the more ancient elves, so that's even more experience(the ancient elves were by and large better than the newer ones)
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If he just spammed his shield power he should win it, isn't Talion somewhat limited? I'm sure there's some kind of energy he uses that depletes and takes however long to replenish, I remember seeing that he can't just fire an infinite amount of those light arrow things that seem to oneshot kill Orcs and whatnot.

That's gameplay mechanics. Talion draws his power from the Wraith World and should honestly have an infinite amount of arrows and not need to use arrows to teleport. Also, first age weapons could possibly break through the shield, given how OP they are.
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Would Talion's drain or dominate ability even work on Geralt? I thought it only worked on Uruks and beasts. Plus, Geralt has what is basically a better version with a shorter duration. Assuming one kill crowns Geralt the winner, and Talion doesn't just come back infinitely, Geralt should be able to fairly easily just force Talion to kill himself.

Even without signs, Geralt is able to overpower beasts like giants, ancient vampires, and griffins, while Talion has to watch out for caragors and ghuls. And before you say it, I know, something something game mechanics. But killing things of that nature is child's play to Geralt story-wise, while Talion needs to be taught through a story mission.
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I don't see why it wouldn't. If it can harm the Tower, a powerful sorcerer, I see no reason why Geralt would do a ton better. Talion has also resisted attempts from the Tower to use illusions against him and Sauron's dread aura(sure Sauron was weakened, but he should still at least be stronger than Gandalf the Gray at that point). I don't think psychic brainwashing would work too well, but even if it did, Celebrimbor can just tag in and pilot Talion's body

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Even without signs, Geralt is able to overpower beasts like giants, ancient vampires, and griffins, while Talion has to watch out for caragors and ghuls. And before you say it, I know, something something game mechanics. But killing things of that nature is child's play to Geralt story-wise, while Talion needs to be taught through a story mission.

Talion is much stronger by the end of the game since his connection with Celebrimbor is more complete and he's picked up First Age weapons and what not. Talion at the beginning of the game and middle isn't fully familiarized with everything he and Celebrimbor can do.

It's also worth noting that as a First Age elf, Celebrimbor has the pedigree to be capable of hunting dragons. That was why the LOTR dragons were almost extinct
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