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| Mothra Leo vs Godzilla(Heisei) | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 31 2015, 07:32 PM (539 Views) | |
| lazerbem | Aug 31 2015, 07:32 PM Post #1 |
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Mothra Leo is scaled up to Heisei Mothra's size. He can turn into Aqua Mothra and Rainbow Mothra if he wants to. I think he'd kick Godzilla's a*** up and down the street. The amount of firepower he can unload is completely ridiculous and the explosions they make are enormous. Not to mention he flies faster than any other foe Heisei Godzilla has seen. |
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| Darker | Aug 31 2015, 08:07 PM Post #2 |
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Mothra, I guess? It's been a while since I've watched the Mothra movies... |
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| + miguelnuva | Aug 31 2015, 08:11 PM Post #3 |
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Rainbow Mothra is on par with Heisei Godzilla. On one hand Godzilla has regen abd is more durable but on the other hand Mothra Leo is slightly more intelligent. Godzilla did survive in a Volcano for 5 years however while Leo was nearly dead from going into one. |
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| lazerbem | Aug 31 2015, 08:29 PM Post #4 |
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That is a drastic underrating of Leo. He had already gotten beat up by Grand King Ghidorah and was heavily wounded. Then he went back in time, which took up even more of his energy. Once he was there, he took more damage from Cretaceous Ghidorah and also expended energy dumping him into the volcano. Furthermore, it wasn't going into the volcano that nearly killed him, it was the volcano erupting in his face and vaporizing Cretaceous Ghidorah's body. The fact that Leo survived that much punishment before going to sleep is impressive. |
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| Darker | Aug 31 2015, 09:25 PM Post #5 |
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I do think H.Godzilla could survive a fight against two weak Ghidorah's and later fall into an erupting volcano. Surely the Heisei incarnation must have a better durability feat than Leo Mothra's. I also think Godzilla here is physically tougher, but I don't really know how strong Leo Mothra is. |
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| lazerbem | Aug 31 2015, 10:07 PM Post #6 |
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Cretaceous was weak, but Grand King Ghidorah? Oh Hell no, he was absurd. He had a shield covering his body at all times and could fire extra beams from his wings. His attacks were so powerful, that when they hit buildings, the building turned into rubble instantly. It's not like Godzilla where there's a hole in the building, I mean that he hits it once with his gravity beams and the entire structure instantly explodes. Grand King Ghidorah was far from weak and it's impressive that Leo survived a fight with him at all, let alone still have the strength to go through a ton of other crap afterwards. As for physical strength, Leo flew headfirst into Desghidorah and was fine. Desghidorah, by contrast, was knocked out of the air and slammed into the ground. Leo also did this to Dagahra. As for his other hand to hand stuff, he was able to slap around Cretaceous pretty easily in hand to hand(for a short time), but Cretaceous is really weak. On the other hand, Leo had also just gotten the s*** kicked out of him by Grand King Ghidorah and wasted energy transforming, so it balances out. He also picked up and carried Cretaceous to the volcano, after getting his wings ripped up and bombarded with a salvo of fireballs from Cretaceous If you want to look at Leo's feats, all of the Rebirth of Mothra movies are on Dailymotion, but broken into parts, IIRC. Edited by lazerbem, Aug 31 2015, 10:33 PM.
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| + miguelnuva | Sep 1 2015, 12:16 AM Post #7 |
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That is not what happened, Moll stated she could recharge Mothra byt Leo would be stuck in the past and then Lara recharged Leo again, at worst Leo was at 50% when he went into the Volcano. Godzilla was weaker than his 100m self, had fought Super X and had also gone into an erputing Volcano. Stating Leo is on par with Heise Godzilla is in no way down grading him. Hesiei Godzilla=Mothra Leo>Battra and Mothra>Godzilla 1984/89>Batta Imago>/= Mothra Imago =Leo's Mother. |
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| lazerbem | Sep 1 2015, 12:42 AM Post #8 |
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I don't think the recharges were at full potency given the fact that he was getting bombarded by Cretaceous repeatedly. Cretaceous wasn't the biggest slouch ever, upon rewatching that. Furthermore, the subs I looked at only said that Lara had given Leo "heart". I'm not sure if that counts as a recharge so much as it does giving him hope against bad odds. I would also be inclined to say the eruption Leo suffered through was worse, considering that it sent him flying in a manner similar to what GFW did to Kumonga. Heisei's beams are not as powerful as Leo's ridiculous barrages that he used against Desghidorah and to split the sea against Dagahra. Heisei does not possess as much speed as Leo. His strength is probably on par at best(given Leo not even losing momentum when he rams Desghidorah and Dagahra). His durability is a fair chunk better due to regen(and that Leo's enemies save GKG don't exactly have the best firepower in the world), but that's not going to save him against the insane barrages that Leo lets out. The chest beam that Leo has sent Dagahra sailing over hills and mountains and split the ocean, it's going to cause enormous amounts of damage. The seal attack and poison pollen would also be extremely effective. Godzilla could try his usual beam spam(he's not fast enough to grab Leo), but that could easily backfire with Leo's shield and his pollen. |
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| + miguelnuva | Sep 1 2015, 06:35 PM Post #9 |
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Where'd you watch the subs? The dub and the official Sub state with Lara, Leo only has enough power to go back in time but not enough to get back. Later once Lara sends her power to Leo he is able to get right back into the fight with Ghidorah from being defeated easily. Leo flew out the Volcano and even so it wasn't worse then swimming through the Earth's plates. Leo's beams are used in rapid fire other then the Breast Canon their just faster than Godzilla. The beam that stopped Dagahra is highly impressive but not that much more than the Plasma Grenade used by MechaGodzilla. Godzilla standing up to Super MechaGodzilla's assault will allow he to not be overwhelmed by Leo. Godzilla was constantly outspend in the Heisei series. As for Strength Heisei tossed the 150,000 ton MechaGodzilla and balanced the world on his back as he swam through the mantel so I agree they should be on par with each other. Also food for thought, Mecha King Ghidorah was a cyborg from 200 years in the future and his armor couldn't stand up to Godzilla's breath, it took diamond coating on top of Metal from 200 years in the future and a nuclear storage system to allow MechaGodzilla to withstand Godzilla's ray. Leo only used the seal to re seal DesGhidorah he's not using it on Godzilla and even so Mothra's seal didn't do anything to Godzilla in 92. Poison is also not doing anything to someone who can't be poisoned and Leo doesn't even have poison any more. I'm still giving Godzilla a slight advantage here, I don't think Leo passes him up till Armor Mothra. |
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| lazerbem | Sep 1 2015, 07:42 PM Post #10 |
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Well, IDK who subbed the version I was watching. Fansubs are kind of bad, so yeah. He didn't fly out of the volcano though. The eruption blasted him out and he faceplanted into the dirt because he was too weak to even fly. The fact that the eruption sent him sailing so far means that he took a fair bit more damage from the eruption
Yeah, I'm not going to claim his head beams are strong, but the chest beam is really powerful. It didn't just stop Dagahra, it sent him flying. That's a feat only the Plasma Grenade matched in terms of Heisei era weaponry. Not to mention when it made an explosion so large, it exposed Dagahra whilst the monster swam. Dagahra just dove deeper, but it's still impressive. Also, Godzilla never stood up to shots from the Plasma Grenade. One or two shots always floored him or hurt him a lot. In terms of speed, the only ones who outsped him were Battra, Mothra, Rodan, and MOGUERA. Battra, Mothra, and Rodan are all extremely weak, and MOGUERA was winning in his brief encounter against Godzilla. All of the other kaiju he fought weren't faster. Leo is also a lot faster and more nimble than the other flyers Godzilla has faced.
MOGUERA's armor held up to the Corona Beam far more effectively than MKG's armor, so I'm not sure how much stock I'd put into MKG's future armor. The future tech doesn't seem all too impressive, tbh. Also, SMG possessed a critical weakness in the fact that his actual armor was laughably weak. Every single physical strike(even from Rodan) caused lots of damage, the problem lied in Godzilla and Rodan firing beams and getting Plasma Grenaded. I'm not going to say Leo can tank the beam, but he's not going to be downed by a single blast and his shield will offer some defense.
Leo didn't seal Desghidorah, that was the Elias. Leo just kicked his a*** up and down the street and left him a broken mess on the ground. Leo spewed out a ridiculous amount of attacks on Desghidorah within a rather short time span and pretty much had him stun locked for the majority of the fight. The explosion Leo's seal made was enormous and pretty much shut Desghidorah up for quite some time. Godzilla cannot handle that much damage in such a short amount of time. He can win if Leo just hung back and used his attacks with long pauses between them, but Leo doesn't do that. Leo sprays enormous barrages that combo into each other fairly well. I don't know what you mean by Leo lacking pollen anymore. Is there any indication of this? If his poison worked on Cretaceous, who could regenerate from just a tail stump, it should work on Godzilla. Godzilla got hurt badly by the ANEB. That was before his growth, but that shouldn't change his toxin resistance. |
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| + miguelnuva | Sep 1 2015, 11:48 PM Post #11 |
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Yeah the Mega Breast Canon is powerful but at the same time Daghara weighs 17,700 tons where as Heisei Rodan weighs 16,000 ton and Godzilla's ray sent Rodan flying back just like the canon sent Daghara back. The Plasma Genrade sent Godzilla flying back who weighs 60,000 ton meaning Godzilla survived a more powerful attack.
King Ghidorah outsped him when he was flying, SpaceGodzilla and Destroyer outsped him when flying and SuperMechaGodzilla outspeeding Godzilla was actually a plot point of the film. Mothra and Battra are decent kaiju their no where near Leo but Fire Rodan survived two shots from the Plasma Genrade one at point blank range he is in no way weak.
Godzilla was paralyzed and survived an assult from SuperMechaGodzilla, Leo is going to hurt him with the speed of his attacks but he won't put him down.
The scales were only poison in the showa series, Heisei-onward they were used as a defense. In ROM the scales burned opponents and in the Godzilla series they prevented Godzilla from charging his nuclear energy. In tokyo sos it overloaded his breath. |
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| lazerbem | Sep 2 2015, 12:01 AM Post #12 |
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I scaled Leo's size so he's in line with Heisei Mothra. Or scale Godzilla down so he's comparatively the same size as he is to Heisei Mothra. My point is that I want the size to not be grossly disproportionate. That's a thing I like doing with kaiju battles, equalizing weights so that things aren't rather unfair stomps.
King Ghidorah only did one flying strafe and then landed. He didn't really use his speed. Spacegodzilla didn't fly at all while fighting him and Destroyah only used flight whilst Godzilla was offguard. SMG is slow and clunky when he's actually in combat, his hover is snail's pace and his walk isn't much better. Godzilla never fought Fire Rodan, he fought Rodan, who mitigated his speed by trying to be a close quarters tussler. Also, it took two shots of the Plasma Grenade to put Fire Rodan on death's door and basically knock him out for the fight between Godzilla and SMG. He didn't really survive it anymore than the old Mothra survived her battle with Desghidorah
He wasn't even twitching whilst lying on the ground. I'm pretty sure he was going to die if Fire Rodan didn't give him his energy. Also, SMG didn't use the Plasma Grenade during that assault, IIRC, which makes it less impressive. Also, Battra and Mothra both subdued him rather well using the pollen cloud and energy spam combo, something Leo can do by himself and more impressively
I'm fairly sure they paralyzed too. Cretaceous was barely moving after being dusted with the scales and Desghidorah seemed to be unable to move whilst in the cloud as well. |
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