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| Xfing | Aug 31 2015, 04:42 PM Post #61 |
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Yeah, but think about all those chumps who think SSj3 Goku ~ Ultimate Gohan. This episode actually gives them ammo, as nothing here made those two stand apart from each other. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 31 2015, 04:45 PM Post #62 |
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Izanagi!
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If you think of it as Beerus taking out Gohan first because he was the biggest threat, it makes things a little easier to accept. Gohan got caught completely off-guard. I hate it, and the fact that it happened is a huge slap in the face to any Gohan fan, but all it means is that SSJ2 Vegeta (Rage) > Ultimate Gohan. Goku doesn't have to be anywhere near that realm of power. |
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| Xfing | Aug 31 2015, 04:47 PM Post #63 |
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Well going by official numbers SSj3 is 4x stronger than SSj2. So Vegeta had to become more than 8x as strong as he usually is as a SSj2 to be of any threat to Beerus - the bigger this number, the more ludicrous things get IMO. Why? Because this completely craps on Gohan's own rage boosts, for which he had always been known. Just how much stronger is SSj2 Gohan during the Cell Games from a regular, typical SSj2? I guess a lot. Not to mention that Vegeta would need to become at least like 10x stronger than Goku to have a showing clearly better than Gohan's. Edited by Xfing, Aug 31 2015, 04:48 PM.
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| Mihawk | Aug 31 2015, 04:49 PM Post #64 |
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Uhh ok. Makes more sense to me to just accept that the guy can forgot what he wrote in the original story. Like if (hypothetical example) Cell arc Gohan stated age: 14 Time elapsed to Boo arc: 1 Year Boo arc Gohan stated age: 19 I'm just gonna go with AT forgot the story and I'm going with what makes more intellectual sense, rather than a contrived hyperspace portal jump; because, uhh, you know, one of the two is absurd. |
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| + Clearin | Aug 31 2015, 04:52 PM Post #65 |
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To be honest, I don't think Goku was even thinking of Vegetto when he said merge with Vegeta. Goku only wanted to fight Beerus, not kill him. He's not gonna permanently lose his body for a single good fight. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Aug 31 2015, 04:54 PM Post #66 |
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I'm sure George Lucas forgot plenty of things about the original trilogy when he made the prequels. They're still canon, retcons and all. As for your example, there's never been such a huge discrepancy, so I don't see why people are so quick to disregard anything Toriyama has done in recent years. |
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| Mihawk | Aug 31 2015, 04:57 PM Post #67 |
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I'm OK with accepting things as retcons (actually not but that's a different story for a canon argument thread), but not OK with coming up with ridiculous contrived explanations and pretending they've always been right. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Aug 31 2015, 05:00 PM Post #68 |
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"pretending a new explanation was the way it always was" is the very definition of a retcon:
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| Mihawk | Aug 31 2015, 05:11 PM Post #69 |
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Hmm not necessarily. "imposes a different interpretation" means opening another pathway to look at the past, not to accept that it's always been that way. From this page: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Retcon, there seems to be quite a few different versions of retcons. I'm also open to the idea of reinterpretation for the sake of retcon. As long as it's clear that we're talking retcon and not "it's always been this way". |
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| Xfing | Aug 31 2015, 05:12 PM Post #70 |
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Well, I think the easiest thing we can do is just assume that Vegeta has gotten so much more powerful than usual SSj2 that he starts straddling near Vegetto level (like say, 50%). Make him like 30x more powerful than usual. It is an asspull, but things like that have happened in DBZ multiple times and we've accepted them. 10% Beerus ~ Super Vegetto >>> SSj2 Vegeta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ultimate Gohan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSj3 Goku and dassit. And we're all good. Edited by Xfing, Aug 31 2015, 05:17 PM.
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| sekzee | Sep 1 2015, 06:06 PM Post #71 |
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Except Earth is in danger. He may not want to kill him, but he sure wants to defeat him. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Sep 2 2015, 01:48 AM Post #72 |
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Here's the official line regarding Beerus using 10% of his strength:
Also, here's Beerus claiming he can destroy the Solar System:
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| + QueenTD | Sep 2 2015, 01:51 AM Post #73 |
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My Dear Melancholy,
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Is that impressive? Cell could do the same right? Solar Kamehameha I believe it's called. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Sep 2 2015, 01:54 AM Post #74 |
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Depends on whether you believe Cell was bluffing I guess. |
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| Mihawk | Sep 2 2015, 01:57 AM Post #75 |
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Cell was at max power, I think it's likely Beerus is more casual. Also, purely from a physics perspective, him being able to destroy the sun makes the most sense. |
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