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DB RoF and Super's errors - make it STOP; All I want to do is to point out Toei's mistakes in hope they'll learn something from them.
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In most cases we buttheads and disagree, but not in this case...
It would be like me saying AT intended for "Piccolo" to be stronger than Vegeta after the Cell Games...unless I actually have proof to back up my claims, then it's just a false claim with nothing to show for it.
I agree with Prince, that video isn't proof of your claims.
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It's incredible that you rather waste time on discussing here than take those 2-5 minutes and send message to Toei. You DON'T know whether they'll read that or not, but you rather do nothing? I can't even... You can say what you want but that is not how (good) fans act. Shame on you, really.
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Maybe that's because there's nothing wrong with the movies? Oh no, it's 150 instead of 500, s*** show 0/10. Oh no, Beerus said base Goku>Freeza the entire story is terrible now. That crater isn't big enough, how horrific. They had terrible with a snake... Well that's filler for you  And quite frankly if they aren't restraining themselves most of the time then they're a danger to the environment and anyone near them. Like Chi-Chi.
But quite frankly the fact that you brought this up and not say... Beerus completely different character, or something that actually effects the story... I mean the priorities should be on story and action, not numbers that haven't been used since Namek. All the issues in Super as you specify are either throw away lines or throw away scenes.
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The only one I noticed so far is Kaio's planet being there.
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The only one I noticed so far is Kaio's planet being there. Which was addressed in Battle of Gods and Super.
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Where in super did they address it?
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Where in super did they address it? Whis addressed it in the extended edition in Battle of Gods, and Kaio explains that Goku used the Dragon Balls restore Kaio's planet in one of the episodes of Super.
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Wait. I know Kaio said his heart skips a beat whenever they call Shen Long but they never bring him back to life, but I don't remember him saying they used them to bring his planet back but not him.
What's the quote? I've had one watch-through so I acknowledge I may have missed something
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I'd have to ask Herms for the exact quote, and I'm not in a position to do that.
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Maybe that's because there's nothing wrong with the movies? Oh no, it's 150 instead of 500, s*** show 0/10. Oh no, Beerus said base Goku>Freeza the entire story is terrible now. That crater isn't big enough, how horrific. They had terrible with a snake... Well that's filler for you  And quite frankly if they aren't restraining themselves most of the time then they're a danger to the environment and anyone near them. Like Chi-Chi. But quite frankly the fact that you brought this up and not say... Beerus completely different character, or something that actually effects the story... I mean the priorities should be on story and action, not numbers that haven't been used since Namek. All the issues in Super as you specify are either throw away lines or throw away scenes. These scenes prove how little knowledge creators have about their own series. And you think Toriyama will help them with each episode? NO! They'll keep on crushing this show slowly with their inconsistencies! This show is already confirmed to be half-filler! Seeing how powerful characters get is a HUGE PART of the story, I want to actually SEE how much stronger they are since the last time they fought and the animators make them look as if they were actually WEAKER!!! This isn't a video game or a book, this is a movie! Movies are the summary of creators' work! If you're so smart, then how will you defend Shisami beating up Piccolo? Get out, you are just a mere fanboy, brainless creature that would buy ANYTHING that has written "Dragon Ball" on it!
And BTW, if something is clearly wrong with the show and fans see that, they'll obviously want to fix that. Fanboys will try to defend that in the stupidest ways. Just like you are doing it now.
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Maybe that's because there's nothing wrong with the movies? Oh no, it's 150 instead of 500, s*** show 0/10. Oh no, Beerus said base Goku>Freeza the entire story is terrible now. That crater isn't big enough, how horrific. They had terrible with a snake... Well that's filler for you  And quite frankly if they aren't restraining themselves most of the time then they're a danger to the environment and anyone near them. Like Chi-Chi. But quite frankly the fact that you brought this up and not say... Beerus completely different character, or something that actually effects the story... I mean the priorities should be on story and action, not numbers that haven't been used since Namek. All the issues in Super as you specify are either throw away lines or throw away scenes.
These scenes prove how little knowledge creators have about their own series. And you think Toriyama will help them with each episode? NO! They'll keep on crushing this show slowly with their inconsistencies! This show is already confirmed to be half-filler! Seeing how powerful characters get is a HUGE PART of the story, I want to actually SEE how much stronger they are since the last time they fought and the animators make them look as if they were actually WEAKER!!! This isn't a video game or a book, this is a movie! Movies are the summary of creators' work! If you're so smart, then how will you defend Shisami beating up Piccolo? Get out, you are just a mere fanboy, brainless creature that would buy ANYTHING that has written "Dragon Ball" on it! And BTW, if something is clearly wrong with the show and fans see that, they'll obviously want to fix that. Fanboys will try to defend that in the stupidest ways. Just like you are doing it now. No, how the characters act show how little they know, and the production values show how much (or little) they care.
is it? Relying entirely on feats ends up putting Roshi ahead of 18, or Freeza ahead of Cell saga Goku. Increasing in power is important but the way they show that is not by Michael Baying it and creating bigger explosions, it's how they flight each other and what they do to characters and how they react.
And you're implying I actually like Super, no I think it's a terrible show that may not even survive to retell the movies (which is also stupid). And that's why I think you're focusing on the wrong things, there are big problems with the characterization and the action (episode five anyone?), but the idea that the source of all this is a throw away line is laughable.
There is, but it's not power levels, it's Gohan getting knocked out by Beerus swinging Buu as a joke as if he's Yamcha, it's the absurdly terrible animation that Absalon (fan made sequel) actually surpassed quite handily. It's stuff like that. Not Vegeta getting the wrong number in his training.
Also you're being kind of rude with those insults. Few people are inclined to side with guys that make insults like that, especially when it's on the internet. I mean I probably would have sympathized a but if it weren't for the attitude.
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Maybe that's because there's nothing wrong with the movies? Oh no, it's 150 instead of 500, s*** show 0/10. Oh no, Beerus said base Goku>Freeza the entire story is terrible now. That crater isn't big enough, how horrific. They had terrible with a snake... Well that's filler for you  And quite frankly if they aren't restraining themselves most of the time then they're a danger to the environment and anyone near them. Like Chi-Chi. But quite frankly the fact that you brought this up and not say... Beerus completely different character, or something that actually effects the story... I mean the priorities should be on story and action, not numbers that haven't been used since Namek. All the issues in Super as you specify are either throw away lines or throw away scenes.
These scenes prove how little knowledge creators have about their own series. And you think Toriyama will help them with each episode? NO! They'll keep on crushing this show slowly with their inconsistencies! This show is already confirmed to be half-filler! Seeing how powerful characters get is a HUGE PART of the story, I want to actually SEE how much stronger they are since the last time they fought and the animators make them look as if they were actually WEAKER!!! This isn't a video game or a book, this is a movie! Movies are the summary of creators' work! If you're so smart, then how will you defend Shisami beating up Piccolo? Get out, you are just a mere fanboy, brainless creature that would buy ANYTHING that has written "Dragon Ball" on it! And BTW, if something is clearly wrong with the show and fans see that, they'll obviously want to fix that. Fanboys will try to defend that in the stupidest ways. Just like you are doing it now.
No, how the characters act show how little they know, and the production values show how much (or little) they care. is it? Relying entirely on feats ends up putting Roshi ahead of 18, or Freeza ahead of Cell saga Goku. Increasing in power is important but the way they show that is not by Michael Baying it and creating bigger explosions, it's how they flight each other and what they do to characters and how they react. And you're implying I actually like Super, no I think it's a terrible show that may not even survive to retell the movies (which is also stupid). And that's why I think you're focusing on the wrong things, there are big problems with the characterization and the action (episode five anyone?), but the idea that the source of all this is a throw away line is laughable. There is, but it's not power levels, it's Gohan getting knocked out by Beerus swinging Buu as a joke as if he's Yamcha, it's the absurdly terrible animation that Absalon (fan made sequel) actually surpassed quite handily. It's stuff like that. Not Vegeta getting the wrong number in his training. Also you're being kind of rude with those insults. Few people are inclined to side with guys that make insults like that, especially when it's on the internet. I mean I probably would have sympathized a but if it weren't for the attitude. Alright, sorry then.
The point in explosions is that they're showing them as if they were in any way more impressive in compariosn with DBZ's much weaker characters. There is even a camera shot in the movie where it shows ONLY a flying Ki Blast and how it barely does ANY damage to environment, they literally stole 3 secs of the movie for that joke. And the way they made characters brag about their own feats after that is even more facepalm-worthy. It's as if they forgot half of their own work, at least! Also, how can I ignore the fact that Goku transforming into SSJ3 made entire planet shake and Vegeta powering up to an even bigger level didn't even shake a stupid ship he was standing on! Plus, the most important thing is that it simply is awesome when you can see a clear difference between characters' levels!
Roshi obviously is nowhere near as strong as 18, they did that purely for the fan service which I can understand. But seeing, for example, Piccolo being such a weakling makes me wanna beat the living crap out of Toei, he exceeded much bigger level any of those soldiers could even imagine, but one of them still has chances against him. You see how much characters develop during the series just to see them being owned by some trash! Remember the fight between Uub and Goku? If Goku in his base form could make a challenge to Uub, it means he was on a level beyond SSJ from Buu saga. In other words: I don't see anything weird about him being stronger than Cell, same with Freeza -that dude was insanely powerful from the BEGINNING, he was much stronger than Base Form Goku after several years of hard training (and he still was stronger up to BoG) - so training for a few months is understandable. A little cheesy, but quite logical. At least - much more logical than the rest of the cheesiness of the movie.
Episode 5's bad animation was awful, that's true, but some animators have several projects at the same time, the schedule is chasing them and sometimes, studios have to employ ppl who aren't even pros, they do animating for hobby. One of these things was the reason of that low quality episode (maybe even all of them). And I doubt they will stop airing episodes so soon, there are too many fans of it and even I am enjoying it at some point. I would enjoy it even more if Goku wouldn't have woman's voice and King Kai would actually change his tone of voice based on the face expression...
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Maybe that's because there's nothing wrong with the movies? Oh no, it's 150 instead of 500, s*** show 0/10. Oh no, Beerus said base Goku>Freeza the entire story is terrible now. That crater isn't big enough, how horrific. They had terrible with a snake... Well that's filler for you  And quite frankly if they aren't restraining themselves most of the time then they're a danger to the environment and anyone near them. Like Chi-Chi. But quite frankly the fact that you brought this up and not say... Beerus completely different character, or something that actually effects the story... I mean the priorities should be on story and action, not numbers that haven't been used since Namek. All the issues in Super as you specify are either throw away lines or throw away scenes.
These scenes prove how little knowledge creators have about their own series. And you think Toriyama will help them with each episode? NO! They'll keep on crushing this show slowly with their inconsistencies! This show is already confirmed to be half-filler! Seeing how powerful characters get is a HUGE PART of the story, I want to actually SEE how much stronger they are since the last time they fought and the animators make them look as if they were actually WEAKER!!! This isn't a video game or a book, this is a movie! Movies are the summary of creators' work! If you're so smart, then how will you defend Shisami beating up Piccolo? Get out, you are just a mere fanboy, brainless creature that would buy ANYTHING that has written "Dragon Ball" on it! And BTW, if something is clearly wrong with the show and fans see that, they'll obviously want to fix that. Fanboys will try to defend that in the stupidest ways. Just like you are doing it now.
No, how the characters act show how little they know, and the production values show how much (or little) they care. is it? Relying entirely on feats ends up putting Roshi ahead of 18, or Freeza ahead of Cell saga Goku. Increasing in power is important but the way they show that is not by Michael Baying it and creating bigger explosions, it's how they flight each other and what they do to characters and how they react. And you're implying I actually like Super, no I think it's a terrible show that may not even survive to retell the movies (which is also stupid). And that's why I think you're focusing on the wrong things, there are big problems with the characterization and the action (episode five anyone?), but the idea that the source of all this is a throw away line is laughable. There is, but it's not power levels, it's Gohan getting knocked out by Beerus swinging Buu as a joke as if he's Yamcha, it's the absurdly terrible animation that Absalon (fan made sequel) actually surpassed quite handily. It's stuff like that. Not Vegeta getting the wrong number in his training. Also you're being kind of rude with those insults. Few people are inclined to side with guys that make insults like that, especially when it's on the internet. I mean I probably would have sympathized a but if it weren't for the attitude.
Alright, sorry then. The point in explosions is that they're showing them as if they were in any way more impressive in compariosn with DBZ's much weaker characters. There is even a camera shot in the movie where it shows ONLY a flying Ki Blast and how it barely does ANY damage to environment, they literally stole 3 secs of the movie for that joke. And the way they made characters brag about their own feats after that is even more facepalm-worthy. It's as if they forgot half of their own work, at least! Also, how can I ignore the fact that Goku transforming into SSJ3 made entire planet shake and Vegeta powering up to an even bigger level didn't even shake a stupid ship he was standing on! Plus, the most important thing is that it simply is awesome when you can see a clear difference between characters' levels! Roshi obviously is nowhere near as strong as 18, they did that purely for the fan service which I can understand. But seeing, for example, Piccolo being such a weakling makes me wanna beat the living crap out of Toei, he exceeded much bigger level any of those soldiers could even imagine, but one of them still has chances against him. You see how much characters develop during the series just to see them being owned by some trash! Remember the fight between Uub and Goku? If Goku in his base form could make a challenge to Uub, it means he was on a level beyond SSJ from Buu saga. In other words: I don't see anything weird about him being stronger than Cell, same with Freeza -that dude was insanely powerful from the BEGINNING, he was much stronger than Base Form Goku after several years of hard training (and he still was stronger up to BoG) - so training for a few months is understandable. A little cheesy, but quite logical. At least - much more logical than the rest of the cheesiness of the movie. Episode 5's bad animation was awful, that's true, but some animators have several projects at the same time, the schedule is chasing them and sometimes, studios have to employ ppl who aren't even pros, they do animating for hobby. One of these things was the reason of that low quality episode (maybe even all of them). And I doubt they will stop airing episodes so soon, there are too many fans of it and even I am enjoying it at some point. I would enjoy it even more if Goku wouldn't have woman's voice and King Kai would actually change his tone of voice based on the face expression... Super doesn't need huge explosions and power ups to show characters are stronger or weaker in comparison to each other. I don't need SSGSS Goku to shake the solar system while powering up to show hes stronger than Buu arc SSJ 3 Goku. I can figure that out by simply using logic. Lack of Large, planet busting explosions isn't a reason to dislike Super or the new movies. There are far worse things in super than a lack screaming and planet busting.
Also "you are just a mere fanboy, brainless creature that would buy ANYTHING that has written "Dragon Ball" on it!" Might wanna watch what you say. People can take offense to some of the stuff you said. No need to insult others to prove your point. Keep it civil.
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Maybe that's because there's nothing wrong with the movies? Oh no, it's 150 instead of 500, s*** show 0/10. Oh no, Beerus said base Goku>Freeza the entire story is terrible now. That crater isn't big enough, how horrific. They had terrible with a snake... Well that's filler for you  And quite frankly if they aren't restraining themselves most of the time then they're a danger to the environment and anyone near them. Like Chi-Chi. But quite frankly the fact that you brought this up and not say... Beerus completely different character, or something that actually effects the story... I mean the priorities should be on story and action, not numbers that haven't been used since Namek. All the issues in Super as you specify are either throw away lines or throw away scenes.
These scenes prove how little knowledge creators have about their own series. And you think Toriyama will help them with each episode? NO! They'll keep on crushing this show slowly with their inconsistencies! This show is already confirmed to be half-filler! Seeing how powerful characters get is a HUGE PART of the story, I want to actually SEE how much stronger they are since the last time they fought and the animators make them look as if they were actually WEAKER!!! This isn't a video game or a book, this is a movie! Movies are the summary of creators' work! If you're so smart, then how will you defend Shisami beating up Piccolo? Get out, you are just a mere fanboy, brainless creature that would buy ANYTHING that has written "Dragon Ball" on it! And BTW, if something is clearly wrong with the show and fans see that, they'll obviously want to fix that. Fanboys will try to defend that in the stupidest ways. Just like you are doing it now.
No, how the characters act show how little they know, and the production values show how much (or little) they care. is it? Relying entirely on feats ends up putting Roshi ahead of 18, or Freeza ahead of Cell saga Goku. Increasing in power is important but the way they show that is not by Michael Baying it and creating bigger explosions, it's how they flight each other and what they do to characters and how they react. And you're implying I actually like Super, no I think it's a terrible show that may not even survive to retell the movies (which is also stupid). And that's why I think you're focusing on the wrong things, there are big problems with the characterization and the action (episode five anyone?), but the idea that the source of all this is a throw away line is laughable. There is, but it's not power levels, it's Gohan getting knocked out by Beerus swinging Buu as a joke as if he's Yamcha, it's the absurdly terrible animation that Absalon (fan made sequel) actually surpassed quite handily. It's stuff like that. Not Vegeta getting the wrong number in his training. Also you're being kind of rude with those insults. Few people are inclined to side with guys that make insults like that, especially when it's on the internet. I mean I probably would have sympathized a but if it weren't for the attitude.
Alright, sorry then. The point in explosions is that they're showing them as if they were in any way more impressive in compariosn with DBZ's much weaker characters. There is even a camera shot in the movie where it shows ONLY a flying Ki Blast and how it barely does ANY damage to environment, they literally stole 3 secs of the movie for that joke. And the way they made characters brag about their own feats after that is even more facepalm-worthy. It's as if they forgot half of their own work, at least! Also, how can I ignore the fact that Goku transforming into SSJ3 made entire planet shake and Vegeta powering up to an even bigger level didn't even shake a stupid ship he was standing on! Plus, the most important thing is that it simply is awesome when you can see a clear difference between characters' levels! Roshi obviously is nowhere near as strong as 18, they did that purely for the fan service which I can understand. But seeing, for example, Piccolo being such a weakling makes me wanna beat the living crap out of Toei, he exceeded much bigger level any of those soldiers could even imagine, but one of them still has chances against him. You see how much characters develop during the series just to see them being owned by some trash! Remember the fight between Uub and Goku? If Goku in his base form could make a challenge to Uub, it means he was on a level beyond SSJ from Buu saga. In other words: I don't see anything weird about him being stronger than Cell, same with Freeza -that dude was insanely powerful from the BEGINNING, he was much stronger than Base Form Goku after several years of hard training (and he still was stronger up to BoG) - so training for a few months is understandable. A little cheesy, but quite logical. At least - much more logical than the rest of the cheesiness of the movie. Episode 5's bad animation was awful, that's true, but some animators have several projects at the same time, the schedule is chasing them and sometimes, studios have to employ ppl who aren't even pros, they do animating for hobby. One of these things was the reason of that low quality episode (maybe even all of them). And I doubt they will stop airing episodes so soon, there are too many fans of it and even I am enjoying it at some point. I would enjoy it even more if Goku wouldn't have woman's voice and King Kai would actually change his tone of voice based on the face expression... And you talked any then as if they specifically cropped up in Super and the movies, when this happened all over Dragon Ball and dbz. Raditz didn't do anything close to what Piccolo or Roshi did before hand, hell, Yamcha has better direct feats than Raditz but Roshi said that they couldn't help aside from Piccolo, and Piccolo was considered vastly outmatched, even with Goku. It sucks sure but it's blogging new and it's certainly not a sign of things to come, otherwise none of us would be here. Either that or we're both "brainless." And frankly everyone got nerfed in terms of power levels. Maybe it's nothing new to me since I'm a superman fan that watched the DCAU (he's absurdly nerfed). Though at least the thing with Piccolo is connected to the plot profession.
And really, you could frankly level that their characters have regressed, rather than annoy their battle power. Like Vegeta in episode two, or Beerus in Super. A bigger problem than say, 150Gs.
No I'm talking about Frreza saga Freeza being stronger than cell arc Goku, or even Buu saga Goku (ignoring their fight of course), I mean when has he blown up a planet? Again this had been around since dbz.
Madhouse can keep HunterxHunter looking great consistently, and the previous series, all three, looked better in their first five episodes than Super has, especially since this was the first fight. There's no excuse for the poor animation and art.
And I'll be honest, I'm surprised you leveled the whole "brain dead fans that'll gobble up anything" at me while enjoying Super, the most controversial and least well regarded series so far. I mean I guess GT might be in the running but I remember more than a few jokes being made about how it's revenge for people not liking GT.
The basic thing it's that you're overreacting about minor stuff, and stuff that's always been there... And is still pretty minor.
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And you talked any then as if they specifically cropped up in Super and the movies, when this happened all over Dragon Ball and dbz. Raditz didn't do anything close to what Piccolo or Roshi did before hand, hell, Yamcha has better direct feats than Raditz but Roshi said that they couldn't help aside from Piccolo, and Piccolo was considered vastly outmatched, even with Goku. It sucks sure but it's blogging new and it's certainly not a sign of things to come, otherwise none of us would be here. Either that or we're both "brainless." And frankly everyone got nerfed in terms of power levels. Maybe it's nothing new to me since I'm a superman fan that watched the DCAU (he's absurdly nerfed). Though at least the thing with Piccolo is connected to the plot profession.
And really, you could frankly level that their characters have regressed, rather than annoy their battle power. Like Vegeta in episode two, or Beerus in Super. A bigger problem than say, 150Gs.
No I'm talking about Frreza saga Freeza being stronger than cell arc Goku, or even Buu saga Goku (ignoring their fight of course), I mean when has he blown up a planet? Again this had been around since dbz.
Madhouse can keep HunterxHunter looking great consistently, and the previous series, all three, looked better in their first five episodes than Super has, especially since this was the first fight. There's no excuse for the poor animation and art.
And I'll be honest, I'm surprised you leveled the whole "brain dead fans that'll gobble up anything" at me while enjoying Super, the most controversial and least well regarded series so far. I mean I guess GT might be in the running but I remember more than a few jokes being made about how it's revenge for people not liking GT.
The basic thing it's that you're overreacting about minor stuff, and stuff that's always been there... And is still pretty minor.
Freeza vs Goku fight on Namek looked best, much better than Piccolo vs Goku or any other fight. The point is they keep on downgrading these characters with each saga even more which is why in GT Goku had to go SSJ4 to lift a building or struggled to do the same with a PIECE of the city. I'm pretty sure I've already typed about that in my 1st post. Maybe these errors are tiny to you, but for me they're big. Each person may like something for a different reason(s), focuses at different aspects and so we do too. And GT is worse than Super by a long shot; thousand of inconsistencies (+ some of which happened in Z, but here they're on much bigger scale), unfitting to DB dark climate, Goku turned into a kid, having to watch a bitchy Pan and wussy Trunks for majority of it, repetitive and slow animation, Vegeta being almost a zero, even after turning into SSJ4 he still was owned by Omega after less hits than Goku. And Super's latest episode (8) showed Vegeta's punch that looked much more impressive than any physical attack GT characters ever pulled out. I don't know much about HunterxHunter except that the older version didn't look any impressive animation-wise based on a few 1st episodes I've watched. I also don't know how often the new series come out or how intense it gets; in DB they fight for majority of the series, so it's pretty hard to always capture it all so smoothly and detailed, especially while the fights themselve are very fast-paced. Maybe Toei is just a mediocre studio indeed.
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