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DB RoF and Super's errors - make it STOP; All I want to do is to point out Toei's mistakes in hope they'll learn something from them.
Topic Started: Aug 20 2015, 04:29 PM (6,172 Views)
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Raiken
Aug 21 2015, 12:42 AM
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Aug 21 2015, 12:30 AM
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Aug 21 2015, 12:21 AM
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Aug 20 2015, 04:53 PM
Ugh
-It isn't suggested that Piccolo was struggling with a Zarbon-level being. Shisami was stated to be at his level before Freeza and his men arrived on Earth, but Shisami could have easily trained like Freeza did.
-The lack of widespread destruction isn't a contradiction.
-I'm still waiting on an official translation for what Beerus said in regards to Super Saiyan Goku. All I've seen are s***ty fansubs.
-Hitiro from Kanzenshuu explains it best:
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He probably can get much more gains by training at lower gravity levels for longer. It's like doing weights. You don't lift the maximum you could ever lift once and then leave the gym. You pick a suitable weight and work on it for a good while and then leave the gym. He isn't going to gain nothing by doing a 10 second training regime at a gravity he can barely stand.

-Ki is metaphysical, therefore does not adhere to the laws of physics. If you wanted to get technical, a measly Ki blasts from someone as strong as Freeza should have enough condensed energy to destroy a planet, but they do no such thing upon detonating.
-Jesus Christ... They were holding back against the snake.

Honestly, I don't know what you wish to accomplish with this thread. Do you really think Toei is going to take suggestions from members of some Dragon Ball forum?
I'm just surprised you defend this clearly badly written poor content that really shouldn't be considered "Manga Canon" at best it's filler that wants to be canon, thinks it's canon, managed to convince everyone it's canon... but really, it's not canon.
I'm more surprised at the conclusions drawn from misinterpretation or assumptions, and the fact you think you can determine what is canon to Toriyama's original story. Don't you find it a little odd that he is more than happy to talk about Beerus as though he was part of his universe? Whether you like this stuff or not is completely and totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
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Toriyama is an old man that wants to rest, he's been given loads of money to give them some basic plot outlines and character designs so Toei animation can call "THEIR" product and story "canon", so they can use that as marketing point to make more money.

What's funny about this is that Toriyama chose to work on Super.
So you don't deny that Super is a poorly written piece of crap?
Because if you do, you're deluded.

The Saiyan, Freeza and Cell Arcs are his Prime, Buu Arc was okay, and Super is utter crap.
That's your opinion. Imo Super is turning out fine. Episode 5's bad animation aside, so far its doing a decent job. The Manga adaptation is turning out even better imo.
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Aug 20 2015, 07:15 PM
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Aug 20 2015, 06:46 PM
Not me, but people who are fluent in Japanese over at Kanzenshuu. The best fan subs come from "Dragon Team".

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=31269

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Also, to ALL the people who are reading this
: I didn't create this topic for discussion purposes, I just hoped you'd give me and other fans a favour, and send a message to Toei, it's for the series' OVERALL good!!! EVEN if you're fine with the way it is now, think about other pople who are mad about these errors, think about quality which it MAY reach! If you want to support the series, this IS THE BEST WAY to do it!

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Most of the contradictions lie in RoF. I still have hope for Super.
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Also, to ALL the people who are reading this: I didn't create this topic for discussion purposes, I just hoped you'd give me and other fans a favour, and send a message to Toei, it's for the series' OVERALL good!!!

Why should we do that if it'd fall on deaf ears? Secondly, Super is just fine, aside from the animation hiccup in episode 5.
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Super isn't written like crap, it's just drawn like crap. Not all fans are obsessed over power levels. While it would be nice for them to be consistent, there's so much more to enjoy that I'm happy to ignore them here. Besides Super itself hasn't had any power contradictions just yet, they're mostly in RoF.
You're a fool if you actually believe the bold no power levels have been contradicted yet.
Not in Super, no. They're definitely going to soon, but as of the 6 released episodes they haven't.
Yes as of episode 6 they have not, I agree.
But if you take a look at Manga Chapter 3, they definitely have. And the Anime will likely follow the same route.
It just doesn't give a s*** about what was estabilished in the Manga, and that really grinds my gears, is that it just comes across as poor writing and a lack of consideration the Manga and it's fans.
Listen I can understand how RoF powerlevel inconsistencies make you very pessimistic of Super, because it has the same effect on me. So you're not alone. But it's still enjoyable, and other than Power levels and consistency regarding that, it's an enjoyable watch. And who knows, it might surprised us with how good it becomes.
Tha gaol agam ort. <3
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Most of the contradictions lie in RoF. I still have hope for Super.
But if you message them, there is a smaller chance they'll make some stupid mistakes again. It's not that much of an effort, so I don't understand why can't you simply do that! It's not like they can ban you from watching the series, lol
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Also, to ALL the people who are reading this: I didn't create this topic for discussion purposes, I just hoped you'd give me and other fans a favour, and send a message to Toei, it's for the series' OVERALL good!!!

Why should we do that if it'd fall on deaf ears? Secondly, Super is just fine, aside from the animation hiccup in episode 5.
I assure you they read what fans say. I already gave you an example of a situation where Vegeta's singing in BoG.
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Give me evidence that the Bingo Dance was removed as a result of backlash from the fans.
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Also, to ALL the people who are reading this: I didn't create this topic for discussion purposes, I just hoped you'd give me and other fans a favour, and send a message to Toei, it's for the series' OVERALL good!!!

Why should we do that if it'd fall on deaf ears? Secondly, Super is just fine, aside from the animation hiccup in episode 5.
I assure you they read what fans say. I already gave you an example of a situation where Vegeta's singing in BoG.
... Which was replaced with chef Vegeta, arguably even more demeaning to his pride.

Also people complained about Bingo Vegeta?
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Which was replaced with chef Vegeta, arguably even more demeaning to his pride.

Also people complained about Bingo Vegeta?
Did you even read my entire 1st post?

"you should know that people's whining about Vegeta's embarrassing scene in BoG has been heard out by Toei and on the world's premiere of the Resurrection 'F', without even being asked about it, they confirmed that Vegeta won't have such a scene in the new movie!"

https://youtu.be/FuhmvlDjR6U?t=1441
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Which was replaced with chef Vegeta, arguably even more demeaning to his pride.

Also people complained about Bingo Vegeta?
Did you even read my entire 1st post?

"you should know that people's whining about Vegeta's embarrassing scene in BoG has been heard out by Toei and on the world's premiere of the Resurrection 'F', without even being asked about it, they confirmed that Vegeta won't have such a scene in the new movie!"

https://youtu.be/FuhmvlDjR6U?t=1441
That link didn't imply that Vegeta had no scenes like that because of complaints. There were no scenes because it wouldn't fit the mood of the movie, probably. In fact he actually said "Let me just warn you guys", as if it's telling people "unfortunately this movie is less focused on comedy".
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Which was replaced with chef Vegeta, arguably even more demeaning to his pride.

Also people complained about Bingo Vegeta?
Did you even read my entire 1st post?

"you should know that people's whining about Vegeta's embarrassing scene in BoG has been heard out by Toei and on the world's premiere of the Resurrection 'F', without even being asked about it, they confirmed that Vegeta won't have such a scene in the new movie!"

https://youtu.be/FuhmvlDjR6U?t=1441
That's not evidence, try again.
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Which was replaced with chef Vegeta, arguably even more demeaning to his pride.

Also people complained about Bingo Vegeta?
Did you even read my entire 1st post?

"you should know that people's whining about Vegeta's embarrassing scene in BoG has been heard out by Toei and on the world's premiere of the Resurrection 'F', without even being asked about it, they confirmed that Vegeta won't have such a scene in the new movie!"

https://youtu.be/FuhmvlDjR6U?t=1441
That link didn't imply that Vegeta had no scenes like that because of complaints. There were no scenes because it wouldn't fit the mood of the movie, probably. In fact he actually said "Let me just warn you guys", as if it's telling people "unfortunately this movie is less focused on comedy".
You think it's really that hard to implement a slapstick scenes during serious moments? Toriyama does that constantly.
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Which was replaced with chef Vegeta, arguably even more demeaning to his pride.

Also people complained about Bingo Vegeta?
Did you even read my entire 1st post?

"you should know that people's whining about Vegeta's embarrassing scene in BoG has been heard out by Toei and on the world's premiere of the Resurrection 'F', without even being asked about it, they confirmed that Vegeta won't have such a scene in the new movie!"

https://youtu.be/FuhmvlDjR6U?t=1441
That's not evidence, try again.
Of course there is no evidence, there will always be no evidence because you're too lazy to care.
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Which was replaced with chef Vegeta, arguably even more demeaning to his pride.

Also people complained about Bingo Vegeta?
Did you even read my entire 1st post?

"you should know that people's whining about Vegeta's embarrassing scene in BoG has been heard out by Toei and on the world's premiere of the Resurrection 'F', without even being asked about it, they confirmed that Vegeta won't have such a scene in the new movie!"

https://youtu.be/FuhmvlDjR6U?t=1441
That's not evidence, try again.
Of course there is no evidence, there will always be no evidence because you're too lazy to care.
Are you trying to imply that I'm lazy because I refuse to seek out the evidence for something you claim is the case? That's not how the burden of proof works. The person making the positive claim, which is you in this case, must provide evidence.
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