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DB RoF and Super's errors - make it STOP; All I want to do is to point out Toei's mistakes in hope they'll learn something from them.
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Topic Started: Aug 20 2015, 04:29 PM (6,173 Views)
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Aug 20 2015, 07:15 PM
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- Clearin
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Beerus never said SSj Goku would struggle vs Freeza. He said he can see how Goku defeated Freeza, but that'd be the best he'd be capable of. Context is important though, the 3 people who matter here are Goku, Beerus and Freeza, Beerus is just making a fancy way of saying "Sure you can defeat Freeza, but you can't defeat me" http://s18.postimg.org/tqf46vpzt/beerus.png
Those are bad subs. - Quote:
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Beerus: “You’re pretty good. I can see how you managed to defeat Freeza. But if this is all you’ve got, defeating Freeza would probably be the best you’re capable of.” Goku: “Oh, really…? See for yourself if that’s all I’m capable of.” Significance: Some fansubbers mistranslated this to Beerus saying Super Saiyan Goku would have a hard time defeating Freeza, or even that Super Saiyan Goku couldn’t defeat Freeza! Of course, in actual fact Super Saiyan Goku did have a bit of a hard time defeating Freeza (if only because of Freeza being a cheap jerk), but he’s supposed to have grown a lot stronger since then. Arguably even the properly translated line doesn’t properly reflect just how much stronger Super Saiyan Goku should be than Freeza, but it’s not the same as Beerus explicitly saying Goku would struggle against Freeza and/or lose. We’ve also seen that Beerus doesn’t seem aware of any non-god stronger than Freeza, which may factor in here. Anyway, regardless of what Beerus says, Goku doesn’t seem to agree that Beerus has the full measure of his power.
I see, but how do you know the conversation went like this? Do you know japanese? Not me, but people who are fluent in Japanese over at Kanzenshuu. The best fan subs come from "Dragon Team".
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=31269
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Aug 20 2015, 11:52 PM
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Actually, that depends on what your are aiming to achieve. For example, if I am aiming to improve my physical strength in my arms and legs, I would lift weights that are close to my 1RM(which is the heaviest weight you can lift in a single rep) with minimal reps. Whereas if my goal was to my improve muscular endurance, I would use much lesser weights but more reps, which Vegeta might be doing there. But still, I would have thought he could do much than 160gs. I mean, that is only 60gs from what Goku was training with on his journey to Namek
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Aug 21 2015, 12:21 AM
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Ugh -It isn't suggested that Piccolo was struggling with a Zarbon-level being. Shisami was stated to be at his level before Freeza and his men arrived on Earth, but Shisami could have easily trained like Freeza did. -The lack of widespread destruction isn't a contradiction. -I'm still waiting on an official translation for what Beerus said in regards to Super Saiyan Goku. All I've seen are s***ty fansubs. -Hitiro from Kanzenshuu explains it best: - Hitiro
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He probably can get much more gains by training at lower gravity levels for longer. It's like doing weights. You don't lift the maximum you could ever lift once and then leave the gym. You pick a suitable weight and work on it for a good while and then leave the gym. He isn't going to gain nothing by doing a 10 second training regime at a gravity he can barely stand.
-Ki is metaphysical, therefore does not adhere to the laws of physics. If you wanted to get technical, a measly Ki blasts from someone as strong as Freeza should have enough condensed energy to destroy a planet, but they do no such thing upon detonating. -Jesus Christ... They were holding back against the snake. Honestly, I don't know what you wish to accomplish with this thread. Do you really think Toei is going to take suggestions from members of some Dragon Ball forum? I'm just surprised you defend this clearly badly written poor content that really shouldn't be considered "Manga Canon" at best it's filler that wants to be canon, thinks it's canon, managed to convince everyone it's canon... but really, it's not canon. Toriyama is an old man that wants to rest, he's been given loads of money to give them some basic plot outlines and character designs so Toei animation can call "THEIR" product and story "canon", so they can use that as marketing point to make more money. BoG/RoF/Super are barely that much more credible than GT and definitely not worth putting in the same league as the Manga.
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Aug 21 2015, 12:30 AM
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Ugh -It isn't suggested that Piccolo was struggling with a Zarbon-level being. Shisami was stated to be at his level before Freeza and his men arrived on Earth, but Shisami could have easily trained like Freeza did. -The lack of widespread destruction isn't a contradiction. -I'm still waiting on an official translation for what Beerus said in regards to Super Saiyan Goku. All I've seen are s***ty fansubs. -Hitiro from Kanzenshuu explains it best: - Hitiro
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He probably can get much more gains by training at lower gravity levels for longer. It's like doing weights. You don't lift the maximum you could ever lift once and then leave the gym. You pick a suitable weight and work on it for a good while and then leave the gym. He isn't going to gain nothing by doing a 10 second training regime at a gravity he can barely stand.
-Ki is metaphysical, therefore does not adhere to the laws of physics. If you wanted to get technical, a measly Ki blasts from someone as strong as Freeza should have enough condensed energy to destroy a planet, but they do no such thing upon detonating. -Jesus Christ... They were holding back against the snake. Honestly, I don't know what you wish to accomplish with this thread. Do you really think Toei is going to take suggestions from members of some Dragon Ball forum?
I'm just surprised you defend this clearly badly written poor content that really shouldn't be considered "Manga Canon" at best it's filler that wants to be canon, thinks it's canon, managed to convince everyone it's canon... but really, it's not canon. I'm more surprised at the conclusions drawn from misinterpretation or assumptions, and the fact you think you can determine what is canon to Toriyama's original story. Don't you find it a little odd that he is more than happy to talk about Beerus as though he was part of his universe? Whether you like this stuff or not is completely and totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
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Toriyama is an old man that wants to rest, he's been given loads of money to give them some basic plot outlines and character designs so Toei animation can call "THEIR" product and story "canon", so they can use that as marketing point to make more money.
What's funny about this is that Toriyama chose to work on Super.
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Aug 21 2015, 12:42 AM
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Ugh -It isn't suggested that Piccolo was struggling with a Zarbon-level being. Shisami was stated to be at his level before Freeza and his men arrived on Earth, but Shisami could have easily trained like Freeza did. -The lack of widespread destruction isn't a contradiction. -I'm still waiting on an official translation for what Beerus said in regards to Super Saiyan Goku. All I've seen are s***ty fansubs. -Hitiro from Kanzenshuu explains it best: - Hitiro
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He probably can get much more gains by training at lower gravity levels for longer. It's like doing weights. You don't lift the maximum you could ever lift once and then leave the gym. You pick a suitable weight and work on it for a good while and then leave the gym. He isn't going to gain nothing by doing a 10 second training regime at a gravity he can barely stand.
-Ki is metaphysical, therefore does not adhere to the laws of physics. If you wanted to get technical, a measly Ki blasts from someone as strong as Freeza should have enough condensed energy to destroy a planet, but they do no such thing upon detonating. -Jesus Christ... They were holding back against the snake. Honestly, I don't know what you wish to accomplish with this thread. Do you really think Toei is going to take suggestions from members of some Dragon Ball forum?
I'm just surprised you defend this clearly badly written poor content that really shouldn't be considered "Manga Canon" at best it's filler that wants to be canon, thinks it's canon, managed to convince everyone it's canon... but really, it's not canon.
I'm more surprised at the conclusions drawn from misinterpretation or assumptions, and the fact you think you can determine what is canon to Toriyama's original story. Don't you find it a little odd that he is more than happy to talk about Beerus as though he was part of his universe? Whether you like this stuff or not is completely and totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand. - Raiken
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Toriyama is an old man that wants to rest, he's been given loads of money to give them some basic plot outlines and character designs so Toei animation can call "THEIR" product and story "canon", so they can use that as marketing point to make more money.
What's funny about this is that Toriyama chose to work on Super. So you don't deny that Super is a poorly written piece of crap? Because if you do, you're deluded.
The Saiyan, Freeza and Cell Arcs are his Prime, Buu Arc was okay, and Super is utter crap.
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Aug 21 2015, 12:49 AM
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Ugh -It isn't suggested that Piccolo was struggling with a Zarbon-level being. Shisami was stated to be at his level before Freeza and his men arrived on Earth, but Shisami could have easily trained like Freeza did. -The lack of widespread destruction isn't a contradiction. -I'm still waiting on an official translation for what Beerus said in regards to Super Saiyan Goku. All I've seen are s***ty fansubs. -Hitiro from Kanzenshuu explains it best: - Hitiro
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He probably can get much more gains by training at lower gravity levels for longer. It's like doing weights. You don't lift the maximum you could ever lift once and then leave the gym. You pick a suitable weight and work on it for a good while and then leave the gym. He isn't going to gain nothing by doing a 10 second training regime at a gravity he can barely stand.
-Ki is metaphysical, therefore does not adhere to the laws of physics. If you wanted to get technical, a measly Ki blasts from someone as strong as Freeza should have enough condensed energy to destroy a planet, but they do no such thing upon detonating. -Jesus Christ... They were holding back against the snake. Honestly, I don't know what you wish to accomplish with this thread. Do you really think Toei is going to take suggestions from members of some Dragon Ball forum?
I'm just surprised you defend this clearly badly written poor content that really shouldn't be considered "Manga Canon" at best it's filler that wants to be canon, thinks it's canon, managed to convince everyone it's canon... but really, it's not canon.
I'm more surprised at the conclusions drawn from misinterpretation or assumptions, and the fact you think you can determine what is canon to Toriyama's original story. Don't you find it a little odd that he is more than happy to talk about Beerus as though he was part of his universe? Whether you like this stuff or not is completely and totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand. - Raiken
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Toriyama is an old man that wants to rest, he's been given loads of money to give them some basic plot outlines and character designs so Toei animation can call "THEIR" product and story "canon", so they can use that as marketing point to make more money.
What's funny about this is that Toriyama chose to work on Super.
So you don't deny that Super is a poorly written piece of crap? Because if you do, you're deluded. The Saiyan, Freeza and Cell Arcs are his Prime, Buu Arc was okay, and Super is utter crap. I absolutely deny it. Even assuming a few battle powers were f***ed up, which has yet to be confirmed, the writing and character interactions are wonderful. Deluded, huh? Honestly, you're deluded if you think something subjective can be called objectively bad.
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Aug 21 2015, 12:49 AM
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No way is Super a poorly written piece of crap. I'm not the biggest fan, as it changes some of the characters, but I haven't seen anything that would suggest that the writing is hugely different from what Toriyama's done in the past.
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Aug 21 2015, 12:52 AM
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Super isn't written like crap, it's just drawn like crap. Not all fans are obsessed over power levels. While it would be nice for them to be consistent, there's so much more to enjoy that I'm happy to ignore them here. Besides Super itself hasn't had any power contradictions just yet, they're mostly in RoF.
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Aug 21 2015, 01:08 AM
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Super isn't written like crap, it's just drawn like crap. Not all fans are obsessed over power levels. While it would be nice for them to be consistent, there's so much more to enjoy that I'm happy to ignore them here. Besides Super itself hasn't had any power contradictions just yet, they're mostly in RoF. You're a fool if you actually believe that no power levels have been contradicted yet.
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Super isn't written like crap, it's just drawn like crap. Not all fans are obsessed over power levels. While it would be nice for them to be consistent, there's so much more to enjoy that I'm happy to ignore them here. Besides Super itself hasn't had any power contradictions just yet, they're mostly in RoF.
You're a fool if you actually believe the bold no power levels have been contradicted yet. Not in Super, no. They're definitely going to soon, but as of the 6 released episodes they haven't.
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Super isn't written like crap, it's just drawn like crap. Not all fans are obsessed over power levels. While it would be nice for them to be consistent, there's so much more to enjoy that I'm happy to ignore them here. Besides Super itself hasn't had any power contradictions just yet, they're mostly in RoF.
You're a fool if you actually believe the bold no power levels have been contradicted yet.
Not in Super, no. They're definitely going to soon, but as of the 6 released episodes they haven't. Yes as of episode 6 they have not, I agree. But if you take a look at Manga Chapter 3, they definitely have. And the Anime will likely follow the same route. It just doesn't give a s*** about what was estabilished in the Manga, and that really grinds my gears, is that it just comes across as poor writing and a lack of consideration the Manga and it's fans.
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Aug 21 2015, 01:33 AM
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How has chapter 3 contradicted the powers given to us in the original series?
If it's about Vegeta's rage boost, that's not a contradiction.
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This is why you shouldn't trust rushed, crappy, same-day fan-subs. A single mistranslated line can spawn a lot of confusion.
Oh, and it's also why you shouldn't obsess over farkin' power levels so much that it taints your ability to enjoy fun new stories.
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And this is why I think power levels are the devil. Focusing on numbers that never ever helped anyone in the story at all to such a degree that new stories are overshadowed by power chains and power level rankings.
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Using these badly translated fan subs is killing us!
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