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Robin is a pretty unique sword fighter already though.
Robin is barley a sword fighter imo
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you know who would be better, tho, rite? isaac
Corrin > Isaac

It's a smart move by Nintendo. FE:A got a pretty big following in the West and they want to hold onto that, so introducing Corrin into Smash is a great way of doing that.
Dude, f*ck off with that s*it. No jokes. Isaac was heavily requested to join Smash Bros and was a fan favorite in the community. He has great moveset potential so I don't want to hear the bulls*it excuse of Corrin being "unique" because that's a cop out.

FE is over represented as it is and no one asked for the f*cking character in the game. Especially when Sakurai specifically said DLC would be fanservice and Isaac is just that. A character with awesome moveset potential from a beloved game series that's heavily requested by Smash Bros fans. This was our last chance of having Isaac in the game and it was f*cked over by Sakurai's FE bias and now were stuck with an over saturated roster of FE characters for the sake of advertising the new FE game. It's a load of garbage and it made me lose a lot of respect for Sakurai. There's no f*cking defending this BS. End of story.

Funny how this had the opposite effect on me. I was interested in FE14 and looking to buy the game when it came out before this all happened but now that Corrin is in Smash at the expense of all the other requested characters only to promote the game, I suddenly have an incredible urge not to buy FE14 to not support this BS decision.

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I feel you man. That spot should have been for Isaac. That fact that he got the shaft for a 6th FE character to promote FE14 is probably what makes me downright furious. Sakurai has horrible decision making and I hope he gets replaced as the game director for the next Smash Bros game.
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Dude, f*ck off with that s*it. No jokes. Isaac was heavily requested to join Smash Bros and was a fan favorite in the community. He has great moveset potential so I don't want to hear the bulls*it excuse of Corrin being "unique" because that's a cop out.

FE is over represented as it is and no one asked for the f*cking character in the game. Especially when Sakurai specifically said DLC would be fanservice and Isaac is just that. A character with awesome moveset potential from a beloved game series that's heavily requested by Smash Bros fans. This was our last chance of having Isaac in the game and it was f*cked over by Sakurai's FE bias and now were stuck with an over saturated roster of FE characters for the sake of advertising the new FE game. It's a load of garbage and it made me lose a lot of respect for Sakurai. There's no f*cking defending this BS. End of story.

Funny how this had the opposite effect on me. I was interested in FE14 and looking to buy the game when it came out before this all happened but now that Corrin is in Smash at the expense of all the other requested characters only to promote the game, I suddenly have an incredible urge not to buy FE14 to not support this BS decision.
I'll be honest, while I haven't played any Golden Sun games and thus don't really mourn the lack of Isaac, I'm glad I'm not the only one genuinely pissed about Corrin.

A huge, AAA crossover title is not the time to be advertising a series just because you like it. And yes, the fact that Sakurai chose to do that and then shut the door on any new DLC actually makes me respect him less. If more DLC were at least possible, or if there weren't already FE DLC (In addition to more than enough FE characters already) before this, it might be somewhat forgivable, but it was an absolute trash move the way it turned out.

They should just let Sakurai do his own Fire Emblem themed game so he can get it out of his system and stop shoving it down Smash's throat. Assuming another Smash thing ever even happens.
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Dude, f*ck off with that s*it. No jokes. Isaac was heavily requested to join Smash Bros and was a fan favorite in the community. He has great moveset potential so I don't want to hear the bulls*it excuse of Corrin being "unique" because that's a cop out.

FE is over represented as it is and no one asked for the f*cking character in the game. Especially when Sakurai specifically said DLC would be fanservice and Isaac is just that. A character with awesome moveset potential from a beloved game series that's heavily requested by Smash Bros fans. This was our last chance of having Isaac in the game and it was f*cked over by Sakurai's FE bias and now were stuck with an over saturated roster of FE characters for the sake of advertising the new FE game. It's a load of garbage and it made me lose a lot of respect for Sakurai. There's no f*cking defending this BS. End of story.

Funny how this had the opposite effect on me. I was interested in FE14 and looking to buy the game when it came out before this all happened but now that Corrin is in Smash at the expense of all the other requested characters only to promote the game, I suddenly have an incredible urge not to buy FE14 to not support this BS decision.
I'll be honest, while I haven't played any Golden Sun games and thus don't really mourn the lack of Isaac, I'm glad I'm not the only one genuinely pissed about Corrin.

A huge, AAA crossover title is not the time to be advertising a series just because you like it. And yes, the fact that Sakurai chose to do that and then shut the door on any new DLC actually makes me respect him less. If more DLC were at least possible, or if there weren't already FE DLC (In addition to more than enough FE characters already) before this, it might be somewhat forgivable, but it was an absolute trash move the way it turned out.

They should just let Sakurai do his own Fire Emblem themed game so he can get it out of his system and stop shoving it down Smash's throat. Assuming another Smash thing ever even happens.
Exactly. Corrin came at the expense of all the requested characters people wanted and that's what people don't seem to understand or even comprehend. They keep on bringing up this BS excuse of "oh Corrin is unique so you should just overlook everything else" when it doesn't mean jack s*it because every newcomer especially the ones people requested had exactly that. Then these same people bring up FE14 as a means to justify the character's inclusion which is downright disgusting considering that it would take priority over the characters that people wanted. Especially considering Sakurai said the remaining characters would be fanservice which is laughable with Corrin in now. Isaac might not have an upcoming game but he has just as much as moveset potential and should I even mention that he was actually requested to join the game?

And if you're so hell bent on using FE14 as your excuse, then Wolf should have been mandatory to put in the game because using that same BS logic Wolf is hardly a clone with a moveset people loved in Brawl that's highly requested to return to the series with a much more high profile game than FE14 coming out in April that headlined Nintendo's E3 2015 Presentation. But no, FE bias so we have to have Corrin. Corrin apologists won't bring this up though of course.
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Dude, f*ck off with that s*it. No jokes. Isaac was heavily requested to join Smash Bros and was a fan favorite in the community. He has great moveset potential so I don't want to hear the bulls*it excuse of Corrin being "unique" because that's a cop out.

FE is over represented as it is and no one asked for the f*cking character in the game. Especially when Sakurai specifically said DLC would be fanservice and Isaac is just that. A character with awesome moveset potential from a beloved game series that's heavily requested by Smash Bros fans. This was our last chance of having Isaac in the game and it was f*cked over by Sakurai's FE bias and now were stuck with an over saturated roster of FE characters for the sake of advertising the new FE game. It's a load of garbage and it made me lose a lot of respect for Sakurai. There's no f*cking defending this BS. End of story.

Funny how this had the opposite effect on me. I was interested in FE14 and looking to buy the game when it came out before this all happened but now that Corrin is in Smash at the expense of all the other requested characters only to promote the game, I suddenly have an incredible urge not to buy FE14 to not support this BS decision.
I'll be honest, while I haven't played any Golden Sun games and thus don't really mourn the lack of Isaac, I'm glad I'm not the only one genuinely pissed about Corrin.

A huge, AAA crossover title is not the time to be advertising a series just because you like it. And yes, the fact that Sakurai chose to do that and then shut the door on any new DLC actually makes me respect him less. If more DLC were at least possible, or if there weren't already FE DLC (In addition to more than enough FE characters already) before this, it might be somewhat forgivable, but it was an absolute trash move the way it turned out.

They should just let Sakurai do his own Fire Emblem themed game so he can get it out of his system and stop shoving it down Smash's throat. Assuming another Smash thing ever even happens.
Exactly. Corrin came at the expense of all the requested characters people wanted and that's what people don't seem to understand or even comprehend. They keep on bringing up this BS excuse of "oh Corrin is unique so you should just overlook everything else" when it doesn't mean jack s*it because every newcomer especially the ones people requested had exactly that. Then these same people bring up FE14 as a means to justify the character's inclusion which is downright disgusting considering that it would take priority over the characters that people wanted. Especially considering Sakurai said the remaining characters would be fanservice which is laughable with Corrin in now. Isaac might not have an upcoming game but he has just as much as moveset potential and should I even mention that he was actually requested to join the game?

And if you're so hell bent on using FE14 as your excuse, then Wolf should have been mandatory to put in the game because using that same BS logic Wolf is hardly a clone with a moveset people loved in Brawl that's highly requested to return to the series with a much more high profile game than FE14 coming out in April that headlined Nintendo's E3 2015 Presentation. But no, FE bias so we have to have Corrin. Corrin apologists won't bring this up though of course.
Really? Get back to me when you have proof that Isaac was #2 on the ballot, because that'd be the only kind of argument you'd have. 'Fan Favourite in the community' means nothing if he wasn't #2.

I could use the argument of a character having a great potential moveset for literally every other Smash game. Why did we get Pichu in Melee (who's another Pokemon character and a Clone to boot) instead of King K. Rool? Why did we get Peach when we could've got Ridley, who had great potential for a moveset? It isn't some kind of competition of uniqueness; ''my character

Corrin's inclusion harkens back to Melee, where Marth and Roy were kept in the West's version of the game because people were interested in the series. Fire Emblem is a huge series and I've no doubt it'll be just as popular in the coming years. Don't give me that argument of ''he stole this character's slot''. Sakurai wanted to put Corrin in the game, and if he ended up not doing that, there's no reason to assume that he'd put another character in the game in his place.

It's a marketing move by Nintendo, sure, but given the fact that Sakurai wanted to put him in and he looks really unique, I'm absolutely fine with it.
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DLC has made people pretty entitled. The way I see it, if you liked Smash 4 when it came out, then DLC can only make it better, or at worse, have no affect. Has anyone who likes Smash really held off buying it for this long JUST because they were hoping their favourite character would come out as DLC?
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Dude, f*ck off with that s*it. No jokes. Isaac was heavily requested to join Smash Bros and was a fan favorite in the community. He has great moveset potential so I don't want to hear the bulls*it excuse of Corrin being "unique" because that's a cop out.

FE is over represented as it is and no one asked for the f*cking character in the game. Especially when Sakurai specifically said DLC would be fanservice and Isaac is just that. A character with awesome moveset potential from a beloved game series that's heavily requested by Smash Bros fans. This was our last chance of having Isaac in the game and it was f*cked over by Sakurai's FE bias and now were stuck with an over saturated roster of FE characters for the sake of advertising the new FE game. It's a load of garbage and it made me lose a lot of respect for Sakurai. There's no f*cking defending this BS. End of story.

Funny how this had the opposite effect on me. I was interested in FE14 and looking to buy the game when it came out before this all happened but now that Corrin is in Smash at the expense of all the other requested characters only to promote the game, I suddenly have an incredible urge not to buy FE14 to not support this BS decision.
I'll be honest, while I haven't played any Golden Sun games and thus don't really mourn the lack of Isaac, I'm glad I'm not the only one genuinely pissed about Corrin.

A huge, AAA crossover title is not the time to be advertising a series just because you like it. And yes, the fact that Sakurai chose to do that and then shut the door on any new DLC actually makes me respect him less. If more DLC were at least possible, or if there weren't already FE DLC (In addition to more than enough FE characters already) before this, it might be somewhat forgivable, but it was an absolute trash move the way it turned out.

They should just let Sakurai do his own Fire Emblem themed game so he can get it out of his system and stop shoving it down Smash's throat. Assuming another Smash thing ever even happens.
Exactly. Corrin came at the expense of all the requested characters people wanted and that's what people don't seem to understand or even comprehend. They keep on bringing up this BS excuse of "oh Corrin is unique so you should just overlook everything else" when it doesn't mean jack s*it because every newcomer especially the ones people requested had exactly that. Then these same people bring up FE14 as a means to justify the character's inclusion which is downright disgusting considering that it would take priority over the characters that people wanted. Especially considering Sakurai said the remaining characters would be fanservice which is laughable with Corrin in now. Isaac might not have an upcoming game but he has just as much as moveset potential and should I even mention that he was actually requested to join the game?

And if you're so hell bent on using FE14 as your excuse, then Wolf should have been mandatory to put in the game because using that same BS logic Wolf is hardly a clone with a moveset people loved in Brawl that's highly requested to return to the series with a much more high profile game than FE14 coming out in April that headlined Nintendo's E3 2015 Presentation. But no, FE bias so we have to have Corrin. Corrin apologists won't bring this up though of course.
Really? Get back to me when you have proof that Isaac was #2 on the ballot, because that'd be the only kind of argument you'd have. 'Fan Favourite in the community' means nothing if he wasn't #2.

I could use the argument of a character having a great potential moveset for literally every other Smash game. Why did we get Pichu in Melee (who's another Pokemon character and a Clone to boot) instead of King K. Rool? Why did we get Peach when we could've got Ridley, who had great potential for a moveset? It isn't some kind of competition of uniqueness; ''my character

Corrin's inclusion harkens back to Melee, where Marth and Roy were kept in the West's version of the game because people were interested in the series. Fire Emblem is a huge series and I've no doubt it'll be just as popular in the coming years. Don't give me that argument of ''he stole this character's slot''. Sakurai wanted to put Corrin in the game, and if he ended up not doing that, there's no reason to assume that he'd put another character in the game in his place.

It's a marketing move by Nintendo, sure, but given the fact that Sakurai wanted to put him in and he looks really unique, I'm absolutely fine with it.
Yeah. You would never know that if nothing about the Ballot was ever shown other than the fact that Bayonetta was #1 in Europe and Top 10 in NA. Isaac was a fan favorite pretty much everywhere in the Smash community and with DLC being "fanservice", he should have gone over Corrin whom barely anyone wanted in the game. This is the kind of crap you would expect from the Base roster where fan input isn't much of a factor in the process of choosing a character. DLC is not like that.

That's the argument people use to try to defend Corrin when they bring up the fact that he's unique for a swordsmen and that they say we should just accept the character because of said reason. I brought up the fact that using that excuse is BS in supporting Corrin because it applies to almost every requested character people wanted in the game. DLC is sold on the character itself, the moveset is a much smaller factor.

A lot of people use Roy as an excuse when the situations are absolutely nothing like each other. Roy was one of the 6 clones in Melee who happened to have a game coming out from a series that was in limbo at the time and needed a much needed new lease on life. He was a simple Marth clone that people loved and was needed due to Fire Emblem as a franchise struggling and that payed off with FE6 being one of the best selling FE games of all time in Japan. Corrin is absolutely nothing like that. His series is absoutely killing it as it is right now and absolutely doesn't need the advertising from Smash Bros. He's a character that took extensive dev time and is DLC where said DLC characters are supposed to be fan service and characters fans wanted.

You can give me the "oh don't say he didn't take a spot from another character" deal but it's absolutely just that. People wanted several different characters in the game that all got the shaft because of Corrin. Again, tell me why adding Corrin is perfectly fine but adding Wolf, a beloved character from Brawl who has a much more high profile game than FE14 coming out in April shouldn't be in the game? A series that's been in limbo much like FE in the late 90's-early 00's and could benefit greatly from the Smash rub? What kind of a**-backwards logic is this? There's only one way to explain this and it's just sheer Sakurai FE bias.
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What's the issue here? Bayonetta won the ballot and gets to go in the game. Corrin is added because FE is a popular franchise and didn't take the place of Isaac. Isaac was in the running in the ballot, so technically Bayonetta took his place, right?

Anyway, it's not like Isaac had a guaranteed spot anyway. I like the character, but it's not a big loss.
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I winder if they'll add anime characters. Imagine Naruto being in it, or Luffy. I think characters like that have much potential.
Technically many of the characters in the roster have appeared on anime. :rofl:
But don't those characters already belong somewhere else? Like, they don't fit with all these gaming mascots, like Mario, DK, Pac-Man, etc.
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What's the issue here? Bayonetta won the ballot and gets to go in the game. Corrin is added because FE is a popular franchise and didn't take the place of Isaac. Isaac was in the running in the ballot, so technically Bayonetta took his place, right?

Anyway, it's not like Isaac had a guaranteed spot anyway. I like the character, but it's not a big loss.
Already dismissed all the pro-Corrin arguments, especially the ones about the character's "uniqueness" and the FE14 excuse. Not saying it had to be Isaac because theirs tons of fan favorite characters to put in the game but if you're going to put f*cking Corrin in the game who was hardly requested by fans, then Isaac should have got in the game. Sakurai saying the rest of DLC being fanserivce was bulls*it given what happened on Tuesday.

Bayonetta I could tolerate if she wasn't the last character revealed and if we knew more about the Ballot. I'm just very skeptical about the Ballot given that we hardly know anything about it at all.

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What's the issue here? Bayonetta won the ballot and gets to go in the game. Corrin is added because FE is a popular franchise and didn't take the place of Isaac. Isaac was in the running in the ballot, so technically Bayonetta took his place, right?

Anyway, it's not like Isaac had a guaranteed spot anyway. I like the character, but it's not a big loss.
Already dismissed all the pro-Corrin arguments, especially the ones about the character's "uniqueness" and the FE14 excuse. Not saying it had to be Isaac because theirs tons of fan favorite characters to put in the game but if you're going to put f*cking Corrin in the game who was hardly requested by fans, then Isaac should have got in the game. Sakurai saying the rest of DLC being fanserivce was bulls*it given what happened on Tuesday.

Bayonetta I could tolerate if she wasn't the last character revealed and if we knew more about the Ballot. I'm just very skeptical about the Ballot given that we hardly know anything about it at all.

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Bayonetta was requested by fans in the ballot, makes absolutely no sense to add TWO requested characters at the same time. Corrin was added for commercial purposes and I can see why it's a good choice, he seems like a really good character.

About my previous quote: Opinions change. I would love to see Isaac in the game, especially over Cloud, but right now I don't really want to be biased. Nintendo's choice was understandable.
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What's the issue here? Bayonetta won the ballot and gets to go in the game. Corrin is added because FE is a popular franchise and didn't take the place of Isaac. Isaac was in the running in the ballot, so technically Bayonetta took his place, right?

Anyway, it's not like Isaac had a guaranteed spot anyway. I like the character, but it's not a big loss.
Already dismissed all the pro-Corrin arguments, especially the ones about the character's "uniqueness" and the FE14 excuse. Not saying it had to be Isaac because theirs tons of fan favorite characters to put in the game but if you're going to put f*cking Corrin in the game who was hardly requested by fans, then Isaac should have got in the game. Sakurai saying the rest of DLC being fanserivce was bulls*it given what happened on Tuesday.

Bayonetta I could tolerate if she wasn't the last character revealed and if we knew more about the Ballot. I'm just very skeptical about the Ballot given that we hardly know anything about it at all.

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Bayonetta was requested by fans in the ballot, makes absolutely no sense to add TWO requested characters at the same time. Corrin was added for commercial purposes and I can see why it's a good choice, he seems like a really good character.

About my previous quote: Opinions change. I would love to see Isaac in the game, especially over Cloud, but right now I don't really want to be biased. Nintendo's choice was understandable.
Wha? It doesn't make sense to add 2 requested characters? I must have had something in my eye when I read that because THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT DLC IS ABOUT!

Addressed Corrin a zillion times here. FE14 is a lousy excuse because SF: Zero is already on the horizon and is a much more high profile game so Wolf should have gotten in the game over Corrin by that logic. Ryu and Cloud make all the sense in the world given that their both gaming icons and were independent from the Ballot. Bayonetta isn't even apart of the top 10 best selling Wii U games which means less than 10% of Wii U owners play Bayonetta. Not saying that she wasn't #1 in Europe but something doesn't sound right based on that.

Nintendo's choice was anything but understandable.
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Wha? It doesn't make sense to add 2 requested characters? I must have had something in my eye when I read that because THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT DLC IS ABOUT!

Addressed Corrin a zillion times here. FE14 is a lousy excuse because SF: Zero is already on the horizon and is a much more high profile game so Wolf should have gotten in the game over Corrin by that logic. Ryu and Cloud make all the sense in the world given that their both gaming icons and were independent from the Ballot. Bayonetta isn't even apart of the top 10 best selling Wii U games which means less than 10% of Wii U owners play Bayonetta. Not saying that she wasn't #1 in Europe but something doesn't sound right based on that.

Nintendo's choice was anything but understandable.
Uhh... DLCs aren't about adding requested stuff? That's a bunch of baloney, dude.

Wolf would just be another clone character. It seems like Nintendo is trying to get out of that. Fates was released THIS year, when had Nintendo added a character to a game before the game the character is from was released? From my recollection, never. Bayonetta just makes sense.

I see the understandable business of what Nintendo is doing, so don't try to say it isn't.
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Wha? It doesn't make sense to add 2 requested characters? I must have had something in my eye when I read that because THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT DLC IS ABOUT!

Addressed Corrin a zillion times here. FE14 is a lousy excuse because SF: Zero is already on the horizon and is a much more high profile game so Wolf should have gotten in the game over Corrin by that logic. Ryu and Cloud make all the sense in the world given that their both gaming icons and were independent from the Ballot. Bayonetta isn't even apart of the top 10 best selling Wii U games which means less than 10% of Wii U owners play Bayonetta. Not saying that she wasn't #1 in Europe but something doesn't sound right based on that.

Nintendo's choice was anything but understandable.
Uhh... DLCs aren't about adding requested stuff? That's a bunch of baloney, dude.

Wolf would just be another clone character. It seems like Nintendo is trying to get out of that. Fates was released THIS year, when had Nintendo added a character to a game before the game the character is from was released? From my recollection, never. Bayonetta just makes sense.

I see the understandable business of what Nintendo is doing, so don't try to say it isn't.
That's exactly what you're trying to say.

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You said that and hence I posted what I said. DLC is very much fanservice. Adding characters people don't request is something that's done in the base roster.

You're obviously ignorant if you think Wolf is a clone. Barely anything about his moveset is similar to Fox. The whole idea of adding Corrin in was advertising FE14, a game that's doing incredibly well without it when you can do the same thing with Wolf for SF: Zero which is a much more anticipated title that can use the Smash rub seeing as it hasn't had a game since 10 years ago.

It isn't. Period. It's all about one man and his obsession over one Nintendo series.
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