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| OmegaMagnusDA | Aug 15 2015, 02:43 AM Post #1 |
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I'm not sure if this topic has been posted before but Dr. Gero's modified creations, the androids, are way too strong. How can a scientist modify standard beings to become more powerful than Android Saga SSJ? The Andorid Saga should have just been another addition to the Cell saga the way I see it. The data Gero collected also halted at the end of the Saiyan Saga. Science and data can't really explain how the Androids became so OP. Since AT didn't really plan on continuing DBZ after Frieza, I'm sure the Androids were kind of plugged in, preferably for the idea of Cell. |
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| + Kaboom | Aug 15 2015, 03:13 AM Post #2 |
 
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Don't think too hard about the power levels themselves. Just think of it as a general climb in the nature of that power. Freeza: The strongest "natural" being. Androids and Cell: The strongest science-born beings. Majin Boo: The strongest magic being. And now you've got Beerus, who's actually a god in a way that means something. |
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| + Pyrus | Aug 15 2015, 03:30 AM Post #3 |
 
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He did plan on continuing after Freeza. There's no evidence anywhere that he had a desire to end it there, as conclusive as it might feel in the manga. Just so you know for future reference. |
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| Darker | Aug 15 2015, 06:01 AM Post #4 |
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Gero had been working on these androids for years, it makes a bit of sense he made them to be that powerful. Look at Android 8. He was much stronger than Goku during the Red Ribbon Saga. |
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Aug 15 2015, 10:27 AM Post #5 |
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This is the simplest way to look at it. Honestly, it doesn't matter how strong someone gets in DBZ. There was never really a rule set by the author for how someone can get before it gets too crazy or doesn't make sense. |
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| SuperSaiyan1993 | Aug 15 2015, 02:31 PM Post #6 |
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Exactly. In fact, Toriyama may have made an unofficial rule that any power level is fair game. The paradigmatic example is how Goku went from barely above CG Gohan after 7 years of Otherworld training to equal with Uub in Base... It was at that moment that Toriyama seemed to say "I can make anyone as powerful as I want, and reasons are optional" 
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| + Clearin | Aug 15 2015, 02:47 PM Post #7 |
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I've never looked at it that way before, but it makes perfect sense. Magic > Technology > Natural. But wasn't Boo reconnected to be natural? Or is he still a magical being that was just born naturally? |
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| + Kaboom | Aug 15 2015, 03:52 PM Post #8 |
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Yeah, his magical nature hasn't changed, just the circumstances of his origins. |
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| Thiln | Aug 15 2015, 07:12 PM Post #9 |
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Realistically it seems implausible that some mad scientist hiding out in the wilderness of Earth could come up with the technology to create beings superior to that of the universe's greatest tyrant and the legendary Super Saiyan. In fact, how is it that Dr Gero managed to acquire technology that could outpace the industrial and scientific might of the most advanced galactic empire? That's what I would like to know. Toriyama could have found a way to rationalise the cyborgs' enormous power. Say, for example, there were fragments of the Planet Trade Organisation's technology that survived the ship's destruction. Dr Gero could have scavenged those pieces to study and employ in his own experiments. Using that advanced alien technology, he imbibes his cyborgs with the genetic information from Frieza's DNA that makes his species so inherently powerful and gifted. Of course, since you're pretty much combing the DNAs of two utterly different species together, there's bound to be more than a few failed efforts. To give it a more sinister ambiance, the manga could give reference to multiple people who died as a result of Dr Gero kidnapping and injecting them with some of Frieza's genetic material. #17 and #18 would be the first two successes who survived the genetic engineering process without any deformities, mutations, or general outward alterations to their physiology. They look and act human with the power and potential of Frieza's species. And with the enhancements afforded to their energy reactors as a result of the salvaged alien technology, their strength would be amplified to the degree where it surpasses the Super Saiyans. Maybe there could also be a comment about the alien genetic material enhancing their musculature, tissue, and bone structure so that it's resistant like Frieza's Now to justify their combat prowess, a reference could be made to the information gathered from Gero's spy robot regarding the techniques and abilities of the Z Warriors being implanted into their cognitive and procedural memories, which is repeated over and over again while they're in stasis mode to the point where fighting becomes second nature to them. It's treading into the world of fanfiction, but I believe the above would be a rational way of justifying the strengths of Gero's cyborgs without making it appear illogical. The biological relation to Frieza with the cyborgs would also help thread the two arcs and their antagonists together in a more profound way than just Cell having his DNA since the events of the Android and Cell arcs would have been made impossible without Frieza's thirst for vengeance compelling him to journey to Earth, thus granting Gero the material and tools he needs to make his creations a viable threat to the Z Warriors. Edited by Thiln, Aug 15 2015, 07:16 PM.
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| SSJsongojames | Aug 16 2015, 11:41 AM Post #10 |
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I think the Androids make perfect sense when you look at things from an In-Universe perspective: There may be planets with advanced technology, but when it comes to the area of Fighting Machines Dr. Gero excels. There is a reason why Dr. Gero was constantly praised for his genius, and why he was the only one on Earth capable of inventing and building the previous Androids (e.g Android 8) as well as the newer ones. Androids such as the ones he created are rare in the DB Universe, as proven by the fact that Frieza's empire's take on Artificial Lifeforms for fighting are completely different (Saibamen). It's not simply about working for it that made Dr. Gero succeed, it's because he had the drive and genius mind to do so. If someone else tried it, it's likely for them to fail due to not being the same caliber of genius as Dr. Gero. Also, for someone else to even hope to build something capable of taking down Frieza, they'd have to be outside his empire (which has been shown to have loyal members who fear as well as respect him), as shown by the fact that Frieza would crush anyone who threatens his supremacy. But that would greatly decrease their chances of even knowing Frieza and his empire unless they have a treaty with him or hiding. If having a treaty is the case then would the person be as determined as Dr. Gero was for Goku? I doubt it. Hiding is the only real possibility for me, but to even do that they'd have to find a way to stop Frieza and his henchmen from tracking him/her down or stopping him/her, which seems highly unlikely. Also, Dr. Gero's research itself is pretty unique. He studied someone who was originally suppose to wipe out humanity (The fact that those who work for Frieza wipe out entire planets further decrease the chances of someone else like Dr. Gero existing) from when he was a child until he faced some of the most powerful beings in the universe (Great Ape Vegeta was stronger than Captain Ginyu) which made Dr. Gero come up with the schematics necessary to create Androids to combat them. If Dr. Gero wasn't lucky enough to survive and be up against such powerful foes, then it's likely that he wouldn't have created such powerful Androids. Plus, for someone to even hope to match Dr. Gero's research, he'd have to at least grasp the same concept of power levels that Frieza's empire did to be able to form calculations. Dr. Gero was lucky enough to grasp the concept since they were screaming power levels all over the place. Simply put, Dr. Gero needed to create beings beyond Great Ape Vegeta whereas Frieza's empire didn't need anything above a Saibamen. It wasn't just the technology but the schematics Dr. Gero himself came up with to invent these super powered Androids that made them so powerful. I'm sure if Frieza's empire managed to acquire the blueprints they'd create improved versions of Dr. Gero's androids (More obedient) because their technology is superior. I'm sure Dr. Gero himself can't even create something like the Saibamen, which shows his genius is different than those from Frieza's empire. As for why the Androids were so ridiculously strong, it's simply because the Infinite Energy Reactors Dr. Gero invented were that powerful. Frieza empire doesn't have/need said reactors. Edited by SSJsongojames, Aug 16 2015, 11:44 AM.
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| + Steve | Aug 16 2015, 11:52 AM Post #11 |
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Yeah but if you look at the previous androids how on Earth did he make them so strong? What metal are they made of exactly? There shouldn't be anything on Earth able to withstand powerful Ki blasts. I think Toriyama should have elaborated more on just how their physiology works, like maybe Gero found some new sensationally strong metal, after having been in a slump about his defeats for years. With the amount of time it took it seemed almost easy to make androids more powerful than a Super Saiyan, which is insane. |
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| SSJsongojames | Aug 16 2015, 12:17 PM Post #12 |
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It wasn't the metal that made them so powerful but their unique energy reactors. It works similar to Ki as it provides their defence and offence. It was stated that once the Androids are offline it'd be easy to destroy them, this wouldn't be the case if the metal itself was that durable. |
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